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  1. different subject: this morning’s launch of NPP appears to have gone off without a hitch. after the back-to-back failures of OCO and Glory, I for one am very encouraged to see NASA (and NOAA) make a successful launch of a new Earth-observing satellite.

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/NPP/main/index.html

    Comment by Xavier Onnasis — 28 Oct 2011 @ 8:53 AM

  2. This is good news, but does it also carry instrumentation to measure methane releases? This is a big concern right now in the Arctic, definitely something that needs monitoring.

    Comment by wili — 28 Oct 2011 @ 12:50 PM

  3. That is not a recursive acronym! An acronym is “recursive” if it contains a reference to itself, as in GNU, which stands for “GNU’s Not Unix”.

    Thanks for the update, as always!

    [Response: Fair point. Second-order acronym (SOA) then? - gavin]

    Comment by skagedal — 28 Oct 2011 @ 2:38 PM

  4. Re: #2

    Look at http://npp.gsfc.nasa.gov/spacecraft_inst.html for a list sensors on board. Methane does not appear to be of interest but you can never tell when someone will figure out a way to use a sensor in a manner not originally intended! That’s the fun of remote sensing.

    Comment by bill — 28 Oct 2011 @ 3:29 PM

  5. I am surprised to see that NPP is not net primary production (of photosynthesis) here.

    Comment by Kooiti Masuda — 28 Oct 2011 @ 3:35 PM

  6. wili, though observation of methane fluxes by satellites seems impossible, methane concentration is observed by GOSAT and the results are shown at http://data.gosat.nies.go.jp/ .

    Comment by Kooiti Masuda — 28 Oct 2011 @ 3:42 PM

  7. I did work both on the CRIS instrument and GOSAT (much more on CRIS). Once data of NPP assimilated be prepare to see a significant improvement in the weather prediction. The amount of new information gathered by these new instrument is staggering.

    Comment by Yvan Dutil — 28 Oct 2011 @ 7:48 PM

  8. > list of sensors … methane does not appear to be of interest

    That can’t be right. Think about it.
    How did you get to that conclusion?

    Look up the listed sensors.
    Check the previous research results from earlier satellites.

    A minute or two with Google Scholar can’t hurt.

    There’s nothing labeled “Methane Sensor” — but ask yourself, how does a satellite detect methane? Not by sniffing.

    Papers you’ll find in Scholar go into how they work on turning photons into data sets and comparing ground measurements with satellite measurements taken at the same time.

    Fascinating stuff. Yeah, there is interest in this.

    Comment by Hank Roberts — 28 Oct 2011 @ 8:50 PM

  9. I am also glad the launch was successful. NASA’s choices of launch vehicles from Mercury to today leaves a lot to be desired. Does anyone possess a complete list of active sensors and what they measure for all non-military satellites worldwide? How many of those sensors are operating beyond their rated lifetimes?

    Comment by Lloyd Smith — 28 Oct 2011 @ 9:06 PM

  10. Not to worry about second order acronyms. I once got hassled by a secretary over a 3 deep acronym. All spelled out, it took up 3 typewritten lines, so the secretary gave up.

    Comment by Edward Greisch — 28 Oct 2011 @ 9:20 PM

  11. 6 Kooiti Masuda: I don’t know how to use the GOSAT web site. Nor do I have a password. I see that there are Operation manuals, which suggests that the web site is not something you just read like RC is. So is there a GOSAT web site for the rest of us?

    Comment by Edward Greisch — 28 Oct 2011 @ 10:18 PM

  12. “We really need to apologise for the acronym soup though – it is an endemic disease in satellite discussions”

    It is also a disease in environmental law (EPA, CAA, CERCLA, NRDA etc, etc.) One of my professors in law school joked that in a cubicle in one of the office buildings in Washington DC is a worker whose entire job is coming up with acronyms for the federal government.

    Thanks for the interesting update on the satellite launches and results. Aquarius seems like a particular fascinating piece of technology.

    Comment by Joseph O'Sullivan — 28 Oct 2011 @ 10:47 PM

  13. In newspaper reporting anything not obvious is taboo. CIA, FBI and not much else, really even if introduced in the lede. It is what it is.

    Comment by Mark A. York — 28 Oct 2011 @ 11:11 PM

  14. Sounds like a standard graphical method of displaying second order and higher order acronyms is needed.
    Some sort of deconstruction diagram like those that show specific close up details of a map or object might be appropriate. Do stop me before I take this to far :-)

    Comment by Paul D — 29 Oct 2011 @ 3:55 AM

  15. Edward Greisch (#11): The GOSAT data site I mentioned in #6 is certainly for professionals, but it has global maps (image files) showing methane distributions in the “Gallery” section. (If you arrive at a page written in Japanese and you cannot read, look for “English” at the upper right corner.)

    The sites http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp and http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/sat/gosat/index_e.html have introductory documents, though they do not have substantial numerical data.

    Comment by Kooiti Masuda — 29 Oct 2011 @ 8:26 AM

  16. Edward Greisch (#11): The GOSAT data site I mentioned above (#6) is certainly for professionals, but it contains global maps (image files) in the “Gallery” section. (If you arrive at a page written in Japanese and you cannot read, please look for “English” at the upper right corner.)

    The sites http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp and http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/sat/gosat/index_e.html have some introductory documents, but they do not have substantial numerical data.

    Comment by Kooiti Masuda — 29 Oct 2011 @ 8:32 AM

  17. Edward Greisch @ comment #11:

    a quick look at the site mentioned by Kooiti Masuda suggests its primary purpose is data distribution (i.e., “This web site provides processed products of GOSAT observation data”). for a more general intro to GOSAT, try this link: http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp/index_e.html.

    Comment by Xavier Onnasis — 29 Oct 2011 @ 8:47 AM

  18. Just curious..why are we interested in methane detection? For recovery purposes or maybe an indication of organic decay from formerly frozen areas? (*turns on 2nd order acronym shields*)

    Comment by Motorcyclist — 29 Oct 2011 @ 9:35 AM

  19. They’re straining at GNATS (garish name acquisition techniques). From an old Reader’s Digest joke.

    Comment by don gisselbeck — 29 Oct 2011 @ 10:50 AM

  20. “[Response: Fair point. Second-order acronym (SOA) then? - gavin]”

    Indeed, we’re well into the era of second-order acronyms. When two science initiatives with acronyms that doubtless were fun to think up in the first place, the Study of Environmental Arctic Change (SEARCH) and Developing Arctic Modeling and Observing Capabilities for Long-term Environmental Studies (DAMOCLES) sought to cooperate, the obvious name for their bridge was “SEARCH for DAMOCLES.” Hence, the fine second-order acronym … S4D.

    I’m not making this up but admire those who did.
    http://www.damocles-eu.org/TBA5/index.shtml

    Comment by L. Hamilton — 29 Oct 2011 @ 10:58 AM

  21. Motorcyclist– I posted a methane ref. for you in the Open thread

    Comment by Hank Roberts — 29 Oct 2011 @ 11:18 AM

  22. My Kingdom for an acronym….

    I remember being interviewed for a job where understanding of climate models was a topic of interest. When asked “what does RCM stand for?”, I quickly answered “radiative-convective model”. They commented “um, OK, we’ll accept that, too”. I later realized they were probably thinking of “regional climate model”.

    I also remember a colleague who was doing some coding for something he called the “Gulf Islands Regional Land Simulator”. This was being done back in FORTRAN 66/77 days, with it’s limit of 6-character variable names. As was the proper habit, the code was to be used as a subroutine, leading to numerous instances of the phrase “CALL GIRLS” in the main program.

    At least with acronyms, there is more choice than when you’ve worked out this really new factor that explains life, the universe, and everything, and need a Greek letter to name it by. All the good/easy ones are long gone (alpha, beta, omega, etc.)

    Oh, and glad to hear about the successful launch!

    Comment by Bob Loblaw — 29 Oct 2011 @ 11:48 AM

  23. Motorcyclist #18, start with this

    Comment by Martin Vermeer — 29 Oct 2011 @ 11:58 AM

  24. Thanks all and sundry for insights and links. This is RC at its best!

    Comment by wili — 29 Oct 2011 @ 1:38 PM

  25. RE: #8

    How did I reach that conclusion? Simple, I read what the sensors are capable of. The algorithm theoretical basis documents for the various sensors can be here: http://jointmission.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/documents.html.

    I admit I have not read through them all but you are welcome to do so and report back about methane detection. Look forward to hearing about it.

    Comment by bill — 29 Oct 2011 @ 2:24 PM

  26. Re: #2….wili

    Here are a few places to look regarding satellite sensing of methane:

    The first has no date but is interesting regarding satellite detection of trace gases:
    http://geo-cape.larc.nasa.gov/docs/O3_CO_HCHO_CH4_RFI.pdf

    This site is about the launch of a joint German/French sensors specifically designed to detect methane…neat stuff..
    http://www.dlr.de/pa/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-2342/6725_read-26662/

    Finally, a European space Agency sensor that is currently flying:
    http://envisat.esa.int/instruments/sciamachy/

    I have no experience with ESA data so you are on your own. Good hunting.

    Comment by bill — 29 Oct 2011 @ 4:49 PM

  27. GOSAT gives point source origin information for methane.

    Other satellites have given total column measurements. Continuity was discussed some time back as available from the CrIS instrument.

    “Carbon Dioxide, Methane, and Other Greenhouse Gases
    Measurements of key greenhouse gases, including CO2 and CH4, are essential parts of a program to understand climate forcings and trends…. The NPOESS CrIS instrument will contribute to this ….”
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12033&page=11

    Satellites derive methane from infrared data — multispectral instruments from which data could be extracted to develop the information. There’s no methane detector per se.

    “The current High-resolution Infrared Radiation Sounder (HIRS) instrument on POES provides about 20 infrared channels of information …. The CrIS will provide over one thousand spectral channels of information in the infrared at an improved horizontal spatial resolution …”

    Going into the details about the various satellite programs and the need to continue taking data as the older satellites go out of operation, it’s — well, not something to be proud of. Over and over the reports describe program cuts, instrument cuts, and gaps in the data as a result.

    How are you going to know what’s happening if you can’t do the science?

    Rely on gut feelings?

    Nunn and McCurdy? Congressmen, 1983. Some of the capability of the NPOESS satellite set is military; military funds were restricted starting in 1983.

    “… the NPOESS meteorology satellites have been redesigned with lesser capabilities after being affected by the provision.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn–McCurdy_Amendment

    ” Nunn-McCurdy certified NPOESS
    – Priority placed on continuity of operational weather measurements
    – Pre Nunn-McCurdy: 3 orbits and 6 spacecraft
    – Post Nunn-McCurdy: 2 orbits and 4 spacecraft
    • Impacts to Climate Sensors
    – Five climate oriented sensors de-manifested
    • APS (aerosols), TSIS (solar irrad.), OMPS-Limb (ozone), ERBS (radiation budget), ALT (ocean altimetry)
    • Instruments flown only if developed outside of NPOESS program
    – Three climate oriented sensors have reduced coverage • VIIRS (imagery), CrIS (thermal sounder), ADCS (data relay)
    • One less flight per day
    – One climate oriented sensor will have reduced capability • CMIS (μwave sounder)
    • Build a less expensive, less capable instrument of the same type …”

    http://www.npoess.noaa.gov/polarmax/2006/day03/4.5Privette_revised_NPOESS.Climate.POLARMAX.ppt

    Comment by Hank Roberts — 29 Oct 2011 @ 6:59 PM

  28. and some back story

    http://www.spacenews.com/military/100630-pentagon-weather-satellite-plan-emerge.html
    http://www.spacenews.com/civil/100202-white-house-dissolves-npoess-satellite-partnership.html

    Comment by Hank Roberts — 29 Oct 2011 @ 7:05 PM

  29. Lloyd Smith #9,

    > Does anyone possess a complete list of active sensors and what they
    > measure for all non-military satellites worldwide?

    I don’t know, but there’s a lot of information in the Earth Observation Handbook.

    Comment by CM — 30 Oct 2011 @ 3:47 PM

  30. Re. #3, better than “second order acronym” would be “Russian Doll acronym”, IMO.

    Comment by Dave Rado — 30 Oct 2011 @ 8:35 PM

  31. Re #30 Yes, I agree. RDA covers all levels, whereas SOA quickly requires TOA (confusing in this context), then FOA, FOA, SOA, SOA, etc.

    Comment by Adam — 31 Oct 2011 @ 4:55 AM

  32. No plumes for the Indus and the Nile :(

    Comment by Eli Rabett — 1 Nov 2011 @ 8:20 AM

  33. Agreed the more humid it is (due to rain and moisture in the air) the lower salinity it becomes.

    Frances,

    Plumber Proz Washington DC

    Comment by Frances. Plumber — 15 Nov 2011 @ 3:00 PM

  34. http://www.onorbit.com/node/4095
    “NASA’s NPP Satellite Acquires First VIIRS Image
    Submitted by keithcowing on Tue, 11/22/2011

    Quoting the full caption/blog text:

    This high-resolution image is of a broad swath of Eastern North America from Canada’s Hudson Bay past Florida to the northern coast of Venezuela. The VIIRS data were processed at the NOAA Satellite Operations Facility (NSOF) in Suitland, Md.

    VIIRS is one of five instruments onboard the National Polar-orbiting Operational Environmental Satellite System Preparatory Project (NPP) satellite that launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., on Oct. 28. Since then, NPP reached its final orbit at an altitude of 512 miles (824 kilometers), powered on all instruments and is traveling around the Earth at 16,640 miles an hour (eight kilometers per second).

    “This image is a next step forward in the success of VIIRS and the NPP mission,” said James Gleason, NPP project scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

    VIIRS will collect radiometric imagery in visible and infrared wavelengths of the Earth’s land, atmosphere, and oceans. By far the largest instrument onboard NPP, VIIRS weighs about 556 pounds (252 kilograms). Its data, collected from 22 channels across the electromagnetic spectrum, will be used to observe the Earth’s surface including fires, ice, ocean color, vegetation, clouds, and land and sea surface temperatures.

    “VIIRS heralds a brightening future for continuing these essential measurements of our environment and climate,” said Diane Wickland, NPP program scientist at NASA headquarters in Washington. She adds that all of NPP’s five instruments will be up and running by mid-December and NPP will begin 2012 by sending down complete data.

    “NPP is right on track to ring in the New Year,” said Ken Schwer, NPP project manager at NASA Goddard. “Along with VIIRS, NPP carries four more instruments that monitor the environment on Earth and the planet’s climate, providing crucial information on long-term patterns to assess climate change and data used by meteorologists to improve short-term weather forecasting.”

    NPP serves as a bridge mission from NASA’s Earth Observing System (EOS) of satellites to the next-generation Joint Polar Satellite System (JPSS), a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) program that will also collect weather and climate data. NASA Goddard manages the NPP mission for the Earth Science Division of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington. The JPSS program provides the NPP ground system and NOAA provides operational support.

    During NPP’s five-year life, the mission will extend more than 30 key long-term datasets that include measurements of the atmosphere, land and oceans. NASA has been tracking many of these properties for decades. NPP will continue measurements of land surface vegetation, sea surface temperature, and atmospheric ozone that began more than 25 years ago.

    “The task now for the science community is to evaluate VIIRS performance and determine the accuracy of its data products,” said Chris Justice, a professor of geography at the University of Maryland, College Park, who will be using VIIRS data in his research.

    “These long-term data records are critical in monitoring how the Earth’s surface is changing – either from human activity or through climate change.”

    For more information about NPP, visit:
    http://www.nasa.gov/npp

    Comment by Hank Roberts — 26 Nov 2011 @ 9:48 PM

  35. Large — no, I mean LARGE — image if you want it, from the NASA link given above. Do not click on this if you’re using a slow modem, if anyone remembers those: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/606076main_VIIRS_Swath.jpg

    Comment by Hank Roberts — 26 Nov 2011 @ 9:50 PM

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