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Admin at 20:30, 15 January 2011

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	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]		* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]
	* [http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/GlobWarm0.HTM Steve Dutch: A Global Warming Counterfeit]		* [http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/GlobWarm0.HTM Steve Dutch: A Global Warming Counterfeit]
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		+	=== Other comments ===
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		+	*[http://www.newsreview.com/reno/content?oid=1905415 Everyone's a scientist: Could Nevada have 346 climate experts?] Reno's newsreview.com Jan 13, 2011
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	===Basic Errors===		===Basic Errors===

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2009-12-24T19:54:31Z

Full rebuttals

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	* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)		* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)
	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]		* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]
		+	* [http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/GlobWarm0.HTM Steve Dutch: A Global Warming Counterfeit]

	===Basic Errors===		===Basic Errors===

Admin at 15:30, 31 October 2009

2009-10-31T15:30:10Z

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	* [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2007 version by Robinson, A., N. Robinson and W. Soon] (hereafter RRS)		* [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2007 version by Robinson, A., N. Robinson and W. Soon] (hereafter RRS)

		+
		+	=== Full rebuttals ===
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		+	* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)
		+	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]

	===Basic Errors===		===Basic Errors===
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		+	Information gathered below is culled from [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/ RC]. Specific credit to: Keith Pickering, Timothy, mbeb, Aaron Lewis, Joel Shore, CobblyWorlds, Lawrence Brown, John Nielsen-Gammon, Henk Lankamp

	==== Figure 1 ====		==== Figure 1 ====
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	* [http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows Strange Bedfellows]		* [http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows Strange Bedfellows]

-	=== Credits ===
-	Information gathered on this page is culled from [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/ RC]. Specific credit to: Keith Pickering, Timothy, mbeb, Aaron Lewis, Joel Shore, CobblyWorlds, Lawrence Brown, John Nielsen-Gammon, Henk Lankamp
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-	=== Other rebuttals ===
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-	* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)
-	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]

	[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]		[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]
	[[Category: United States\|OISM]]		[[Category: United States\|OISM]]

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2009-10-31T15:28:40Z

Other rebuttals

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	* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)		* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)
-	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/oism-meets-mike-powell.html Mike Powell]	+	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2009/10/critical-review-of-robinson-robinson.html Mike Powell]

	[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]		[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]
	[[Category: United States\|OISM]]		[[Category: United States\|OISM]]

Admin: /* Other rebuttals */

2009-05-24T19:44:07Z

Other rebuttals

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	=== Other rebuttals ===		=== Other rebuttals ===

-	* [http://http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)	+	* [http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)
	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/oism-meets-mike-powell.html Mike Powell]		* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/oism-meets-mike-powell.html Mike Powell]

	[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]		[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]
	[[Category: United States\|OISM]]		[[Category: United States\|OISM]]

Admin: /* Other rebuttals */

2008-07-25T11:07:25Z

Other rebuttals

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	=== Other rebuttals ===		=== Other rebuttals ===

		+	* [http://http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/file-uploads/Comment_on_Robinson_et_al-2007R.pdf Michael MacCracken (pdf)] (The definitive rebuttal)
	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/oism-meets-mike-powell.html Mike Powell]		* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/oism-meets-mike-powell.html Mike Powell]

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Admin at 22:49, 28 June 2008

2008-06-28T22:49:46Z

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	* [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2007 version by Robinson, A., N. Robinson and W. Soon] (hereafter RRS)		* [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2007 version by Robinson, A., N. Robinson and W. Soon] (hereafter RRS)
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	===Basic Errors===		===Basic Errors===
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	=== Credits ===		=== Credits ===
	Information gathered on this page is culled from [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/ RC]. Specific credit to: Keith Pickering, Timothy, mbeb, Aaron Lewis, Joel Shore, CobblyWorlds, Lawrence Brown, John Nielsen-Gammon, Henk Lankamp		Information gathered on this page is culled from [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/ RC]. Specific credit to: Keith Pickering, Timothy, mbeb, Aaron Lewis, Joel Shore, CobblyWorlds, Lawrence Brown, John Nielsen-Gammon, Henk Lankamp
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		+	=== Other rebuttals ===
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		+	* [http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/oism-meets-mike-powell.html Mike Powell]

	[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]		[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]
	[[Category: United States\|OISM]]		[[Category: United States\|OISM]]

Admin: /* Other issues */

2008-06-28T22:48:26Z

Other issues

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	* The assertion that current Earth temperatures are 1C lower now than 1000 years ago requires rejecting a recent NAS panel report in favor of an article by one of the authors and another unpublished manuscript.		* The assertion that current Earth temperatures are 1C lower now than 1000 years ago requires rejecting a recent NAS panel report in favor of an article by one of the authors and another unpublished manuscript.

-	* The first paragraph on page 8 argues that since past temperature variations were as large as they were and not considerably larger, CO2 increases cannot produce a water vapor feedback. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how feedback works in climate (see [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/07/runaway-tipping-points-of-no-return/ here] for more explanation.	+	* The first paragraph on page 8 argues that since past temperature variations were as large as they were and not considerably larger, CO2 increases cannot produce a water vapor feedback. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how feedback works in climate (see [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/07/runaway-tipping-points-of-no-return/ here] for more explanation).

	* The comparison of solar activity change over the past century (0.19%) and United States temperature change (in K) (0.21%) assumes that readers are sufficiently ignorant of basic blackbody radiation theory to think that the similarity of the numbers supports their thesis, rather than being convincing evidence against their thesis.		* The comparison of solar activity change over the past century (0.19%) and United States temperature change (in K) (0.21%) assumes that readers are sufficiently ignorant of basic blackbody radiation theory to think that the similarity of the numbers supports their thesis, rather than being convincing evidence against their thesis.
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	=== Cherry Picks ===		=== Cherry Picks ===

Admin at 20:14, 12 October 2007

2007-10-12T20:14:57Z

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	==== Figure 1 ====		==== Figure 1 ====
	* The dating of the Sargasso Sea record is 50 years out, because they misunderstand the use of 'BP' (Before Present) dates in paleo-records, which refers to before 1950 AD, not the present day.		* The dating of the Sargasso Sea record is 50 years out, because they misunderstand the use of 'BP' (Before Present) dates in paleo-records, which refers to before 1950 AD, not the present day.
-	* The 2006 plotted value is incorrect. Current SST in the Sargasso Sea region is about half a degree above 23 deg C line and while this was included in the original figure, it has been deleted here.	+	* The 2006 plotted value is incorrect. Current SST in the Sargasso Sea region is about half a degree above 23 deg C line and while this was included in the original figure, it has been deleted here. For reference, the HADISST data has 24.2 C for this location.

		+	==== Figure 2 ====
		+	* The caption states that “the principal source of melt energy is solar radiation”, which incorrectly implies that the Sun is to blame for glacier shortening.
		+	* The figure is taken from Oerlemans (2005) (uncited)
		+	* The line corresponds to the result “Excluding Alps” and not the “Global” line, as it should have been.

		+	==== Other issues ====
	* RRS state “The average temperature of the Earth has varied within a range of about 3°C during the past 3,000 years”. This is actually derived purely from Figure 1, and show refers the Sargasso Sea temperatures, not any kind of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png hemispheric or global compilation].		* RRS state “The average temperature of the Earth has varied within a range of about 3°C during the past 3,000 years”. This is actually derived purely from Figure 1, and show refers the Sargasso Sea temperatures, not any kind of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png hemispheric or global compilation].
	* The notion of 'rebound' of climate from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age Little Ice Age] has no support in the climate literature.		* The notion of 'rebound' of climate from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age Little Ice Age] has no support in the climate literature.
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	* Most of the graphs show amount of fuel burnt, rather than CO2 concentrations, or better still radiative forcing. No direct correlation is expected from hydrocarbon use to climate.		* Most of the graphs show amount of fuel burnt, rather than CO2 concentrations, or better still radiative forcing. No direct correlation is expected from hydrocarbon use to climate.

-	* Neptune is not significantly showing a response to solar forcing [http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2003/17/paper.pdf “The nature of Neptune’s increasing brightness: evidence for a seasonal response”] Sromovsky et al (2003), [http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/05/suggestive_correlations_betwee.php Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature?] (Stoat)	+	* Neptune is not significantly showing a response to solar forcing [http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2003/17/paper.pdf “The nature of Neptune’s increasing brightness: evidence for a seasonal response”] Sromovsky et al (2003), [http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/05/suggestive_correlations_betwee.php Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature?] (Stoat) [http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2007/pr-41-07.html], [http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=article&access=doi&doi=10.1051/0004-6361:20078277]

	* "There is [no correlation] between hydrocarbon use and temperature". This is not true. Even between use and temperature there is a correlation, and between radiative forcing and temperature (the more appropriate comparison) the correlation is stronger.		* "There is [no correlation] between hydrocarbon use and temperature". This is not true. Even between use and temperature there is a correlation, and between radiative forcing and temperature (the more appropriate comparison) the correlation is stronger.
		+
		+	* Comparison of human-related CO2 fluxes to natural fluxes is flawed. [http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/faqs/2.html#q2.7 2.7 As natural emissions of carbon dioxide are very much greater than those from human activities, surely the effect of man is insignificant?]
		+
		+	* The assertion that current Earth temperatures are 1C lower now than 1000 years ago requires rejecting a recent NAS panel report in favor of an article by one of the authors and another unpublished manuscript.
		+
		+	* The first paragraph on page 8 argues that since past temperature variations were as large as they were and not considerably larger, CO2 increases cannot produce a water vapor feedback. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how feedback works in climate (see [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/07/runaway-tipping-points-of-no-return/ here] for more explanation.
		+
		+	* The comparison of solar activity change over the past century (0.19%) and United States temperature change (in K) (0.21%) assumes that readers are sufficiently ignorant of basic blackbody radiation theory to think that the similarity of the numbers supports their thesis, rather than being convincing evidence against their thesis.
		+

	=== Cherry Picks ===		=== Cherry Picks ===
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	* Only the Sargasso Sea record the only one used in the paper, rather than any of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years compilations]		* Only the Sargasso Sea record the only one used in the paper, rather than any of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years compilations]

		+	* Reference #19 is private communication from one of the authors

-	=== Journal ====	+
		+	=== Journal ===

	* The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons Journal of Physicians and Surgeons] is a very non-standard venue for climate science papers		* The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons Journal of Physicians and Surgeons] is a very non-standard venue for climate science papers
	* [http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows Strange Bedfellows]		* [http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows Strange Bedfellows]
		+
		+	=== Credits ===
		+	Information gathered on this page is culled from [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/oregon-institute-of-science-and-malarkey/ RC]. Specific credit to: Keith Pickering, Timothy, mbeb, Aaron Lewis, Joel Shore, CobblyWorlds, Lawrence Brown, John Nielsen-Gammon, Henk Lankamp

	[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]		[[Category: Scientific publications\|OISM]]
	[[Category: United States\|OISM]]		[[Category: United States\|OISM]]

Admin at 19:51, 12 October 2007

2007-10-12T19:51:56Z

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	* [http://web.archive.org/web/20000816002511/http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2000 version by Robinson A., S. Baliunas, Z. Robinson and W. Soon]		* [http://web.archive.org/web/20000816002511/http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2000 version by Robinson A., S. Baliunas, Z. Robinson and W. Soon]

-	* [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2007 version by Robinson, A., N. Robinson and W. Soon]	+	* [http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm 2007 version by Robinson, A., N. Robinson and W. Soon] (hereafter RRS)

	===Basic Errors===		===Basic Errors===

-	* In Figure 1, the dating of the Sargasso Sea record is 50 years out, because they misunderstand the use of 'BP' (Before Present) dates in paleo-records, which refers to before 1950 AD, not the present day.	+	==== Figure 1 ====
		+	* The dating of the Sargasso Sea record is 50 years out, because they misunderstand the use of 'BP' (Before Present) dates in paleo-records, which refers to before 1950 AD, not the present day.
		+	* The 2006 plotted value is incorrect. Current SST in the Sargasso Sea region is about half a degree above 23 deg C line and while this was included in the original figure, it has been deleted here.
		+
		+
		+	* RRS state “The average temperature of the Earth has varied within a range of about 3°C during the past 3,000 years”. This is actually derived purely from Figure 1, and show refers the Sargasso Sea temperatures, not any kind of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png hemispheric or global compilation].
		+	* The notion of 'rebound' of climate from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age Little Ice Age] has no support in the climate literature.
		+
	* Humans exhaling CO2 do not contribute to accumulating GHGs.		* Humans exhaling CO2 do not contribute to accumulating GHGs.
-		+	* Most of the graphs show amount of fuel burnt, rather than CO2 concentrations, or better still radiative forcing. No direct correlation is expected from hydrocarbon use to climate.
-	===Cherry Picks===	+
		+	* Neptune is not significantly showing a response to solar forcing [http://oposite.stsci.edu/pubinfo/pr/2003/17/paper.pdf “The nature of Neptune’s increasing brightness: evidence for a seasonal response”] Sromovsky et al (2003), [http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/05/suggestive_correlations_betwee.php Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature?] (Stoat)
		+
		+	* "There is [no correlation] between hydrocarbon use and temperature". This is not true. Even between use and temperature there is a correlation, and between radiative forcing and temperature (the more appropriate comparison) the correlation is stronger.
		+
		+	=== Cherry Picks ===
		+
		+	* Only the Sargasso Sea record the only one used in the paper, rather than any of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years compilations]
		+
		+
		+	=== Journal ====

-	* Why is the Sargasso Sea record the only one used in the paper, rather than any of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years compilations]?	+	* The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons Journal of Physicians and Surgeons] is a very non-standard venue for climate science papers
-	*	+	* [http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows Strange Bedfellows]
-	*	+

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