{"id":459,"date":"2007-07-13T14:36:49","date_gmt":"2007-07-13T19:36:49","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=459"},"modified":"2009-12-15T21:55:31","modified_gmt":"2009-12-16T02:55:31","slug":"friday-roundup","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2007\/07\/friday-roundup\/","title":{"rendered":"Friday roundup"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"459\">\n<p>An eclectic round-up of the week&#8217;s climate science happenings (and an effort to keep specific threads clear of clutter).<\/p>\n<p><strong>It&#8217;s the sun! (not)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As regular readers here will know, the big problem for blaming the sun for the recent global warming is that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2006\/10\/taking-cosmic-rays-for-a-spin\/\">there hasn&#8217;t been a trend<\/a> in any index of solar activity since about 1960, and that includes direct measurements of solar output by satellites since 1979. Well, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eiscat.rl.ac.uk\/Members\/mike\/publications\/pdfs\/2007\/Lockwood_PRSA1.pdf\">another paper<\/a>, has come out saying exactly the same thing. This is notable because the lead author Mike Lockwood has worked extensively on solar physics and effects on climate and certainly can&#8217;t be credibly accused of wanting to minimise the role of solar forcing for nefarious  pro-CO<sub>2<\/sub> reasons! <\/p>\n<p>Stefan was quoted in <i>Nature<\/i> as saying this is the &#8216;last nail in the coffin&#8217; for solar enthusiasts, but a better rejoinder is a statement from Ray P: &#8220;That&#8217;s a coffin with so many nails in it already that the hard part is finding a place to hammer in a new one.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p><strong>TGGWS Redux<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The still-excruciating &#8216;Great Global Warming Swindle&#8217; got another outing in Australia this week. The heavily edited &#8216;new&#8217; version dumped some of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2007\/03\/swindled\/\">obviously fake stuff<\/a> that was used the first time around, and edited out the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2007\/03\/swindled-carl-wunsch-responds\/\">misleading segment<\/a> with Carl Wunsch. There is some amusing feedback in the post-show <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/abcs-australia-expert-swindle-debate-on-youtube\">discussion panel<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/video-abc-australias-tony-jones-dissects-debunks-martin-durkin\">interview <\/a> (via <a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/\">DeSmogBlog<\/a>). <\/p>\n<p><strong> RC Wiki <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As an aside, this is as good a time as any to point people to a new resource we are putting together: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/wiki\">RC Wiki<\/a>, which is an index to the various debunkings of the contrarian articles, TV programs, and internet pseudo-science that is out there. The idea is to have a one-stop shop so that anyone who comes across a piece and wants to know what the real story just has to start there. For instance, the page on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/wiki\/index.php?title=The_great_global_warming_swindle\">TGGWS<\/a> has a listing of many of the substantive criticisms from the time of the first showing.<\/p>\n<p>Editing the wiki is by invitation only, but let us know if you want to help out, or if you have any suggestions or comments.  <\/p>\n<p><strong> The sweet spot for climate predictability<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"\/images\/cox_science07.gif\" align=\"right\" width=\"335px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 335px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 335\/262;\" \/> Between the difficulty of long-term weather forecasts and the impossibility of accurate predictions for economic conditions a century hence, there is a sweet spot for climate forecasts. 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