{"id":673,"date":"2009-04-24T10:07:20","date_gmt":"2009-04-24T15:07:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2009\/04\/friday-round-up-2\/"},"modified":"2009-06-22T09:49:37","modified_gmt":"2009-06-22T14:49:37","slug":"friday-round-up-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2009\/04\/friday-round-up-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Friday round-up"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"673\">\n<p><strong>They knew all along?<\/strong><br \/>\nA recent story in NYT: &#8216;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/04\/24\/science\/earth\/24deny.html?_r=1&#038;emc=eta1\">Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate<\/a>&#8216; has caught our attention. <\/p>\n<p><strong>Update:<\/strong> <a href=\"http:\/\/throbgoblins.blogspot.com\/2009\/04\/creative-differences.html\">Marc Roberts&#8217;<\/a> take:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_2fgn3xZDtkI\/SfMMkf8OftI\/AAAAAAAACkc\/O352yM9lenY\/s1600-h\/ArtSTRIP(MINI)(web).jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_2fgn3xZDtkI\/SfMMkf8OftI\/AAAAAAAACkc\/O352yM9lenY\/s400\/ArtSTRIP(MINI)(web).jpg\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Latest skeptical song from Singer<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This week, the annual <a href=\"http:\/\/www.egu.eu\/home.html\">European Geophysical Union<\/a> (EGU)&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.egu.eu\/news\/news\/article\/10\/general-asse.html\">general assembly<\/a> was held in Vienna. Friday afternoon, I went to one of the conference&#8217;s last talks to learn about the latest news from the climate skeptics (have to keep an open mind&#8230;). It was probably the talk with the smallest audience in the whole conference (see the photo, but note there were a couple of individuals who were not captured by camera), despite an unusually long slot (30 min) allocation. <\/p>\n<p><a href='http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/singer.jpg' title='singer.jpg'><img data-src='http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/singer.thumbnail.jpg' alt='singer.jpg' align=left style=\"padding-right: 10px;\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" \/><\/a> And not much news, I&#8217;m afraid, apart from that SEPP plans to release it&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2008\/11\/not-the-ipcc-nipcc-report\/\">NIPCC<\/a>&#8217;09 in May. I understand it will be a thick report (800 pages?). The main messages were (a) that GHGs were unimportant &#8211; allegedlly supported by <a href=\"http:\/\/www3.interscience.wiley.com\/journal\/117857349\/abstract\">Douglass et al. (2007)<\/a>, and (b) solar activity was the main reason for the recent global warming and the mechanism involved <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2007\/10\/cosmic-rays-don%e2%80%99t-die-so-easily\/\">galactic cosmic rays (GCR)<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>I asked Singer how he could explain the most recent warming when there is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2004\/12\/recent-warming-but-no-trend-in-galactic-cosmic-rays\/\">no trend<\/a> in the GCR-flux or other indices of solar activity since 1952. He countered by saying he was glad I asked him this question, and announced that he had done his thesis exactly on the topic solar wind and GCRs. <\/p>\n<p>So I had to answer that I had written a book about solar activity and climate, and I repeated my question. He could not answer in the end &#8211; other than saying that we have to look at the data. I told him that we already have looked at the data (e.g. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.agu.org\/pubs\/crossref\/2002\/2001JA000507.shtml\">Richardsson et al 2002<\/a>; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.agu.org\/pubs\/crossref\/2005\/2005GL023621.shtml\">Benestad, 2005<\/a>; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk\/media\/proceedings_a\/rspa20071880.pdf\">Lockwood &#038; Frohlich, 2007<\/a>), so I recommended him to read up on RC. <\/p>\n<p><lang_sp>Una traducci\u00f3n est\u00e1 disponible <a href=\"http:\/\/entiemposdegalileo.blogspot.com\/2009\/04\/ultima-oda-esceptica-de-singer.html\">aqu\u00ed<\/a>.<\/lang_sp><\/p>\n<!-- kcite active, but no citations found -->\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 673 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>They knew all along? A recent story in NYT: &#8216;Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate&#8216; has caught our attention. 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