Improving the Tropical Cyclone Climate Record

One of the main advantages of this approach is the inclusion of thousands of users, instead of the 1-3 who would normally classify a TC image. This allows the computation of measures of uncertainty in addition to a mean intensity. Nearly 300,000 images, encompassing all global TCs that formed from 1978-2009, will be classified 30 times each – a feat that would take a dedicated team of twenty Dvorak-trained experts about 12 years to complete. Citizen scientists have already performed over 100,000 classifications since the project launch in September. Once the project is complete, a new dataset of global TC tracks and intensities will be made available to the community to contribute to our efforts to provide the best possible TC data record.

Interested readers are encouraged to learn more about and participate in the project at the cyclonecenter.org website (there are some FAQ on the project blog). The CycloneCenter project is a collaboration between the Citizen Science Alliance, NOAA National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites (CICS) – North Carolina.

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23 comments on this post.
  1. Joseph O'Sullivan:

    I looked at the Cyclone Center site, and it seems very interesting.

    How much time would be involved in participating in this citizen science project? I didn’t find any indication on the Cyclone Center site. I have been involved in other citizen science projects, birding mostly, and the time commitment varied widely.

    Since this project is a work-at-home type of project, am I correct in assuming this is a work-at-your-own-pace type of project?

  2. wili:

    Do the data that we do have show that Arctic cyclones are increasing in number? In intensity? Are they coming more frequently in the non-winter months than they used to? Are they different kinds of storms than used to happen there?

    Do we expect them to start forming more often and more intensely in the future? Along the ice edge? Along the GIS?

    If so, how might these development affect Arctic climate and ice formation, and the rate of GIS melt?

    Sorry for the barrage of questions. I’ll look further into linked sites. I’m excited by the idea of participating in this kind of research, but I’m a bit dubious about the skills of the likes of me to accurately assess a storm system.

    [Response: TCs and Arctic low pressure systems are completely different beasts – pretty much the only thing they have in common is that they are cyclonic (ie rotate anti clockwise in the NH). – gavin]

  3. Edward Greisch:

    “analyst subjectivity inherent in the procedure” Not.

    “subjective
    1 based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions : his views are highly subjective | there is always the danger of making a subjective judgment. Contrasted with objective .
    • dependent on the mind or on an individual’s perception for its existence.”

    There is a lot of measurement error and there is some “human system bias” dependent on eyesight, tiredness, etcetera, but “subjectivity” is the wrong word. As used by everybody else, there is no subjectivity in these measurements. There are no endearing storms. There is no emotional attachment to any one storm. If there is, you know about it and you can delete that one.

    Thanks for explaining “Why We Disagree About Climate Change” by Mike Hulme, but I’m not buying it.

  4. peter thorne:

    Re #1 Joseph: the whole thing is set up so that it is work at your own pace. Any single set of images is a subset of six images from a randomly chosen storm. Each image takes a few minutes at absolute most. And you can classify 1 storm or hundreds of storms as your time and interests permit.

    Re #3 Edward: If you look at the iBTRACS website or the cyclonecenter blog post here you will see that there actually is a lot of subjectivity in the interpretation of the imagery for many storms – particularly outside the N. Atl where we are not afforded regular flight recon data. In the West Pacific there are multiple official forecasting centers and at a given time these have differed for some storms by upwards of 50 knots for the same imagery. If that is not indicative of a degree of subjectivity in interpretation of the imagery then I’m not sure what is.

    Responding as a very junior bit-member of the science team

    Peter

  5. Bouke van der Spoel:

    @1:

    When you get to the site you can immediately start. No account necessary. You can spend as much or as little time there as you want. I just went there and classified 36 images in an hour or so. Gazing at these images is strangely addictive…

  6. flxible:

    Edward Greisch, you need to quit slagging the Humanities so much, and defining things in terms of your “human system bias” – or maybe consult better dictionaries. ;)
    Subjective: 3 : A characteristic of, or belonging to, reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind.

    Objective: 1 b : A condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind.

  7. Kevin McKinney:

    #3–Edward, I think this is an important general point. Let’s consider some other definitions:

    sub·jec·tive [suh b-jek-tiv]
    adjective
    1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective ).
    2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
    3. placing excessive emphasis on one’s own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
    4. Philosophy. relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.
    5. relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.

    Notice that not one of these, unlike the definition you gave, mentions emotionality (although it can reasonably be inferred into #3.)

    Consider the process of evaluating and classifying any natural object–be it a bird, a tropical cyclone, or a mineral sample. You have an image of the object, and you are comparing it to a set of criteria. For example, reading about certain waterfowl you wish to identify, you see the description:

    “…large, diving waterbirds with rounded heads and dagger-like bills. They have long bodies and short tails that are usually not visible. In flight, they look stretched out, with a long, flat body and long neck and bill. Their feet stick out beyond the tail (unlike ducks and cormorants), looking like wedges.”

    Hmm, you think. How large is ‘large?’ Diving, OK, but is that head I see really ’rounded?’ (In fact, have I ever seen a bird with a head I wouldn’t have considered to be rounded?) “Dagger-like?” Maybe… and the damn thing is swimming, not flying, so I can’t use half of this stuff…

    And so it goes. With a little experience you will have no difficulty in identifying the bird as Gavia immer, the Common Loon. But you still might not agree about the ‘daggerness’ of the bill, or the suitability and usefulness of the description ’rounded head.’

    So the classification problem involves, at a minimum, the mapping of verbal descriptors (and, these days, usually, color photos, drawings and even video) onto a specimen which is never an exact match for the given criteria. And since the main tool for creating, modifying and communicating the criteria is language–not (usefully) reducible to complete precision–that mismatch is never going away, not while humans are doing the classification, at least.

    Yet expert humans are able to classify quite accurately, and often from very limited data. They do that by using a highly-developed mental ‘map’ of the subject knowledge which they have built up by working in the area–as definition #4 says, they are dependent upon “the nature of an object as it is known in the mind.” Of course, the essence of what they do with that subjective ‘map’ is to compare it with the “thing in itself” (insofar as they are able to observe it.) And (also) of course, the accuracy of their classification is assessable basically by comparison with “general or universal experience.” (Definition #5–“scientific consensus,” anyone?)

    But their mental map remains their own, not directly accessible to–well, not directly accessible. And it must be presumed to have its own idiosyncratic ‘weightings’ of criteria, each, presumably with its own strengths and weaknesses. As such, it is irreducibly subjective, even though it may have nothing to do with the classifier’s ‘tastes and feelings.’ For example, I may look preferentially for that ‘dagger-like’ beak, regardless of whether I view loons as the ‘incarnate voice of the wilderness,’ or a ‘primitive fish-stealing nuisance species.’

    OK, amateur epistemology break over, let’s return to our regular programming. (Sighs of relief all ’round.)

  8. Chris Hennon:

    @2

    Wili, one of the nice things about this project is that you do not have to know anything about tropical cyclones to contribute. And you should not worry about being “wrong” or screwing things up. We want to know how different users vary in their assessments; that gives us valuable information!

  9. Edward Greisch:

    4,6,7: Huge error bars on a number do not add up to subjectivity. Huge error bars are still objective, not subjective, because the error bars are still on a number. In the case of 50 or 65 knot error bars, the order of magnitude is still right, and that can be pretty good. You can easily tell that the wind wasn’t 2 or 3 knots, nor was it 1000 knots. A subjective report is one in which you can’t tell 2 knots from 1000 knots because there are no numbers at all.

    Does this matter? Yes. Which word you use has a practical result. A subjective report is no better than anybody’s opinion, no matter how ill informed. If the report is subjective, there is no reason for anybody to pay attention to it. The whole point of science is that science gets answers that are more truthful than any previous method’s answers. If science is subjective, then science is ignorable. If science is subjective, the babbling [word salad] of mental patients is just as informative as science.

    In principle at least, an objective report can be tested and improved upon. A subjective report depends on every person experiencing the same thing for him or her self. Example: Good or bad vacuum supply to vacuum powered windshield wipers. You may be too young to have heard of them. The experienced mechanic can test the vacuum by putting his thumb over the end of the hose. Without the experience, “good or bad vacuum” has no meaning. But if I say “about 1 psi lower than air pressure is good,” that has meaning no matter how little experience you have had at fixing vacuum powered wipers and regardless of the error bars. You know not to expect a hard vacuum like outer space, but to expect a mild pop sound when you remove your thumb from the end of the hose.

  10. GlenF:

    “Gazing at these images is strangely addictive…”

    Yep, beware … 100+ already.

  11. Kevin McKinney:

    #9–Edward, IMO you have missed the entire point of what I wrote. I wasn’t talking about “huge error bars” but about how the knowledge is arrived at.

    (Moreover, you are bringing in a whole other topic with the quantitative vs. qualitative idea. You can’t conflate that concept with the subjective vs. objective one–for instance, in my example the identification of the loon is not at quantitative, yet it is also objectively correct–no matter how much subjectively modeled knowledge is involved in making the identification, that loon is not a duck, or a cormorant. And no numbers are needed to make it so.)

    I’d go on to vigorously debate your entire second paragraph–which I regard as consisting more or less completely of your subjective opinion!–were it not for the fact that that would open up yet another OT wormhole.

  12. Steve Fish:

    Re- Comment by Edward Greisch — 17 Dec 2012 @ 11:46 PM

    You say- “A subjective report is no better than anybody’s opinion, no matter how ill informed. If the report is subjective, there is no reason for anybody to pay attention to it.”

    The following all, or in part, involve subjective judgements:

    Sports umpires
    Flight controllers
    Bird and other animal and plant counts
    Traffic police
    Judgments of human behavior
    Reading of many complex scientific instruments
    Racing drivers and crews
    Judges and juries
    This list could get very long.

    The point is that all activities, including what is considered to be objective science, require some level of subjective judgment. The accuracy of a subjective judgment can be good in instances in which little expertise is needed and also good when training is required. Objective science requires a lot of training. Steve

  13. Edward Greisch:

    12 Steve Fish: Ignoring for a moment your list of “subjective” judgements, reference the book: “Revolutionary Wealth” by Alvin & Heidi Toffler, 2006 Chapter 19, FILTERING TRUTH, page 123 lists six commonly used filters people use to find the “truth”. They are:
    1. Consensus
    2. Consistency
    3. Authority
    4. Mystical revelation or religion
    5. Durability
    6. Science

    As the Tofflers say: “Science is different from all the other truth-test criteria. It is the only one that itself depends on rigorous testing.” They go on to say: “In the time of Galileo . . . the most effective method of discovery was itself discovered.” [Namely Science.] The Tofflers also say that: “The invention of scientific method was the gift to humanity of a new truth filter or test, a powerful meta-tool for probing the unknown and—it turned out—for spurring technological change and economic progress.” All of the difference in the way we live now compared to the way people lived and died 500 years ago is due to Science. The other truth filters have contributed misery, confusion, war, fanaticism, persecution, terrorism, inquisitions, suicide bombings, false imprisonments, obesity, diabetes and other atrocities.

    If science is subjective, then the industrial revolution never happened, we never went to the moon, airplanes don’t fly, cell phones don’t work, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. If science is subjective, then RC has no claim to being any more truthful than WUWT and Global Warming really is a hoax. If science is subjective, then why are we reading RealClimate, why do we care about GW? If science is subjective, then there is no reason why the general public should pay any attention at all to what the climate scientists have to say. If science is subjective, then scientists are no better than any lunatic who prophesies the end of the world.

    Only if science is objective is there any reason to stop burning fossil fuels. Why doesn’t the general public force the issue of GW? The objective/subjective issue could be part of it. Clarify your own thinking before trying to convince others.

    I think that what you really mean is that reading scientific instruments is done by the same biological computers, human brains, that also make mostly subjective decisions. Since human brains were designed by evolution to survive, not to do science, science is difficult. So what? Electronic brains cannot read meters with zero error bars either. Scientists know how to handle error bars. Most people don’t. Organic brains vs electronic brains is irrelevant.

  14. Rita:

    #1 @ Joseph,

    Classifying the storms is actually fun–besides being a useful project.
    I plan to share the site with others: http://www.cyclonecenter.org/

  15. BillS:

    Re: Willi @ #2

    As Gavin pointed out Arctic cyclones are completely different beasts. You can find a 50 year record of “Northern Hemisphere Cyclone Locations and Characteristics from NCEP/NCAR Reanalysis Data” at NCEP/NCAR. Both Mark Serreze and Burghard Brummer have written extensively on Arctic cyclone activity.

    (My particular area of interest is the North Atlantic from the Irminger Sea north through the Fram Strait but mostly the northern part.)

    I am not a modeler but if I understand their projections in this area, within the next 30-50 years the models show general cyclonic activity slowly moving north & east with tracks tending towards Spitzbergen. I believe that the models show no significant increase in intensity or frequency.

    Some interesting climatological questions are, how, if at all, will this northward movement affect the meridional overturning process? Does the center of action of the Icelandic Low of the NAO move north as well?

  16. sp:

    “The poor quality of the tropical cyclone (TC) data record provides severe constraints on the ability of climate scientists to: a) determine to what degree TCs have responded to shifts in climate, b) evaluate theories on how TCs will respond to climate change in the future.”

    Surely the first question should be “what is the change in cyclone activity?”.

  17. peter thorne:

    sp #16. The first question Chris gave encompasses the question you ask. Its about changes in frequency, strength etc. through time. Your clicks tell us about all these things.

    Change has been common in the operational forecast centers over the 30 years for which we have satellite imagery. What we don’t know is what the effect of these changes are on the ‘official record’ which these operational analyses constitute (after year end re-evaluation as done e.g. at NHC right about now for the N. Atl.). Forecasters change over time. Guidance changes over time. What is the effect?

    The other very unique thing that a crowdsourced project can do is give some sense of uncertainty arising from the fact that this is an analysis of an image undertaken by the human eyes and mind. Which human eyes and mind probably has an impact on the resulting analysis. By getting multiple independent analyses of each image we can begin to discern this. Many hands make light work as the old proverb goes. Its of interest to address how much this uncertainty is and whether certain storms or portions of storms are more uncertain and why. You also never know what may be discovered along the way and whether it may actually serve to improve knowledge of TCs and hence future forecasts: both operational and climate projections.

  18. Chris Hennon:

    @16
    sp, if by “activity” you mean “intensity”, then yes, even today the recent record is uncertain. Recent studies of western North Pacific intensity trends contradict one another because they use different intensity data records from different forecast agencies. Of course the farther one goes back, especially before the age of microwave satellites, the more uncertain the record gets. If Cyclone Center can provide a homogeneous intensity record (to the extent that is possible with the Dvorak technique), that will be a good first step.

  19. Peter Backes:

    Great – now I’m even more addicted to the Internet…

  20. wili:

    Thanks Gavin, Chris and Bill for better answers than my befuddled questions deserved. BillS, those are indeed interesting questions about possible effects of the northward movement of the North Atlantic Arctic lows, which I understand are quite frequent. Its hard to imagine that the receding (and eventual disappearance) of the ice edge _woudn’t_ have some rather major effects on ocean circulation as well as climate patterns in the Northern Hemisphere, at least. I see that CC had a recent piece on this:

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-storms-the-climate-danger-nobodys-talking-about-15363

    On the topic of the main post, I’m glad to hear that this is such a fun and easy thing to do. I’m coming off of a particularly hectic period at work, so I should have some time to devote to it, now.

  21. Kevin McKinney:

    Possibly more appropriate on the Unforced Variations thread, but I’m posting here because it bears on the discussion started at #3.

    And since we are in the holidays, and some folks may have a little more time to read than usual–just came across this article, which has to do with–I kid you only a little!–the Meaning Of Life.

    But also teleology, epistemology, and subjectivity vs. objectivity and (of course) science:

    Those who tout science as the be-all and end-all of knowing fail to see that what is really dispiriting about this perspective is not the objective reality it reveals, but the subjective reality it occludes. When objectivity becomes paramount, the fact that science is just one of many authentic ways we have of getting to know the world, and one whose great technological potential ought to be wielded circumspectly, is discounted.

    It chimes ever-so-neatly with what I was arguing above, but you really must read the article to fairly consider the merits of the brief statement I excerpted.

    OK, enough blurb; here’s the link:

    http://joyuscrynoid.hubpages.com/hub/From-Chance-and-Necessity-to-Global-Insanity

  22. Kevin McKinney:

    Darn, blew the HTML tags. The quote again, as a quote:

    Those who tout science as the be-all and end-all of knowing fail to see that what is really dispiriting about this perspective is not the objective reality it reveals, but the subjective reality it occludes. When objectivity becomes paramount, the fact that science is just one of many authentic ways we have of getting to know the world, and one whose great technological potential ought to be wielded circumspectly, is discounted.

  23. Edward Greisch:

    21 & 22 Kevin McKinney: So Monod thinks that the fact that it was a subjective mind that invented science, science must be subjective. Monod was wrong. Science is the method that enables subjective minds to accomplish objective things.

    Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett do not echo Monod. If Monod was a nihilist, that was Monod’s own symptom of depression, no one else’s. There is no “profound epistemological contradiction.” Life is the meaning of life, and no other meaning is needed. Neither vitalism nor animism is needed. “the unwearying, heroic effort of mankind desperately denying its own contingency” is nonsense. The universe has no meaning. It just is. Be happy with ” Life is the meaning of life.” That is all you get.

    “What doubt can there be of the presence of the spirit within us?” See books by Raymond Kurzweil: “How To Make a Mind,” “The Age of Spiritual Machines” etc..

    Other references:
    Book “Regenesis” by Church & Regis
    The biologists have already made viruses directly from chemicals and they are now working on making bacteria directly from chemicals. It will happen within 10 years. They are thinking about making humans with reverse chemical handedness.

    Book: “A Universe From Nothing; why there is something rather than nothing” by Lawrence M. Krauss, 2012. This book is about the creation of universe(s) from nothing with no outside help. Not in this book, we should be able to create a universe in about a century.