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You are here: Home / Climate Science / The IPCC Fourth Assessment SPM Le Quatrième Rapport d’Evaluation du GIEC – Résumé à l’intention des décideursA Quarta Avaliação do IPCC – Sumário para Tomadores de DeciçãoUluslararası Iklim Değişikliği Görevgücü’nün 4. Değerlendirme Raporunun Politika Belirliyicileri Icin ÖzetiEl resumen para responsables de políticas del cuarto informe de evaluación del IPCC

The IPCC Fourth Assessment SPM Le Quatrième Rapport d’Evaluation du GIEC – Résumé à l’intention des décideursA Quarta Avaliação do IPCC – Sumário para Tomadores de DeciçãoUluslararası Iklim Değişikliği Görevgücü’nün 4. Değerlendirme Raporunun Politika Belirliyicileri Icin ÖzetiEl resumen para responsables de políticas del cuarto informe de evaluación del IPCC

2 Feb 2007 by group

We’ve had a policy of (mostly) not commenting on the various drafts, misquotes and mistaken readings of the Fourth Assessment report (“AR4” to those in the acronym loop) of the IPCC. Now that the summary for policy makers (or “SPM”) has actually been published though, we can discuss the substance of the report without having to worry that the details will change. This post will only be our first cut at talking about the whole report. We plan on going chapter by chapter, hopefully explaining the key issues and the remaining key uncertainties over the next few months. This report will be referenced repeatedly over the next few years, and so we can take the time to do a reasonable job explaining what’s in it and why.

Nous avons choisi (la plupart du temps) de ne pas commenter les diverses ébauches, citations incorrectes et erreurs de lecture du Quatrième Rapport d’Evaluation (« AR4 » pour les amateurs d’acronymes anglais ou « QRE » en français – version officieuse en français ici (fichier .doc)) du GIEC. Maintenant que le résumé à l’intention des décideurs (ou le « SPM ») a été publié, nous pouvons discuter le contenu du rapport sans crainte de changements des détails. Cet article sera notre première discussion du rapport entier. Nous avons l’intention de l’analyser chapitre par chapitre, en espérant expliquer les questions clefs et les principales incertitudes restantes au cours des mois à venir. Ce rapport sera largement cité au cours des années à venir, et nous pouvons prendre ainsi le temps d’expliquer ce qui est dans ce rapport et quelles en sont les raisons.

First of all, given the science that has been done since the Third Assessment Report (“TAR”) of 2001 – much of which has been discussed here – no one should be surprised that AR4 comes to a stronger conclusion. In particular, the report concludes that human influences on climate are ‘very likely’ (> 90% chance) already detectable in observational record; increased from ‘likely’ (> 66% chance) in the TAR. Key results here include the simulations for the 20th Century by the latest state-of-the-art climate models which demonstrate that recent trends cannot be explained without including human-related increases in greenhouse gases, and consistent evidence for ocean heating, sea ice melting, glacier melting and ecosystem shifts. This makes the projections of larger continued changes ‘in the pipeline’ (particularly under “business as usual” scenarios) essentially indisputable.

Given all of the hoopla since the TAR, many of us were curious to see what the new report would have to say about paleoclimate reconstructions of the past 1000 years. Contrarians will no doubt be disappointed here. The conclusions have been significantly strengthened relative to what was in the TAR, something that of course should have been expected given the numerous additional studies that have since been done that all point in the same direction. The conclusion that large-scale recent warmth likely exceeds the range seen in past centuries has been extended from the past 1000 years in the TAR, to the past 1300 years in the current report, and the confidence in this conclusion has been upped from “likely” in the TAR to “very likely” in the current report for the past half millennium. This is just one of the many independent lines of evidence now pointing towards a clear anthropogenic influence on climate, but given all of the others, the paleoclimate reconstructions are now even less the central pillar of evidence for the human influence on climate than they have been incorrectly portrayed to be.

The uncertainties in the science mainly involve the precise nature of the changes to be expected, particularly with respect to sea level rise, El Niño changes and regional hydrological change – drought frequency and snow pack melt, mid-latitude storms, and of course, hurricanes. It can be fun parsing the discussions on these topics (and we expect there will be substantial press comment on them), but that shouldn’t distract from the main and far more solid conclusions above.

The process of finalising the SPM (which is well described here and here) is something that can seem a little odd. Government representatives from all participating nations take the draft summary (as written by the lead authors of the individual chapters) and discuss whether the text truly reflects the underlying science in the main report. The key here is to note that what the lead authors originally came up with is not necessarily the clearest or least ambiguous language, and so the governments (for whom the report is being written) are perfectly entitled to insist that the language be modified so that the conclusions are correctly understood by them and the scientists. It is also key to note that the scientists have to be happy that the final language that is agreed conforms with the underlying science in the technical chapters. The advantage of this process is that everyone involved is absolutely clear what is meant by each sentence. Recall after the National Academies report on surface temperature reconstructions there was much discussion about the definition of ‘plausible’. That kind of thing shouldn’t happen with AR4.

The SPM process also serves a very useful political purpose. Specifically, it allows the governments involved to feel as though they ‘own’ part of the report. This makes it very difficult to later turn around and dismiss it on the basis that it was all written by someone else. This gives the governments a vested interest in making this report as good as it can be (given the uncertainties). There are in fact plenty of safeguards (not least the scientists present) to ensure that the report is not slanted in any one preferred direction. However, the downside is that it can mistakenly appear as if the whole summary is simply up for negotiation. That would be a false conclusion – the negotiations, such as they are, are in fact heavily constrained by the underlying science.

Finally, a few people have asked why the SPM is being released now while the main report is not due to be published for a couple of months. There are a number of reasons – firstly, the Paris meeting has been such a public affair that holding back the SPM until the main report is ready is probably pointless. For the main report itself, it had not yet been proof-read, and there has not yet been enough time to include observational data up until the end of 2006. One final point is that improvements in the clarity of the language from the SPM should be propagated back to the individual chapters in order to remove any superficial ambiguity. The science content will not change.

Had it been up to us, we’d have tried to get everything together so that they could be released at the same time, but maybe that would have been impossible. We note that Arctic Climate Impact Assessment in 2004 also had a similar procedure – which lead to some confusion initially since statements in the summary were not referenced.

How good have previous IPCC reports been at projecting the future? Actually, over the last 16 years (since the first report in 1990), they’ve been remarkably good for CO2 changes, temperature changes but actually underpredicted sea level changes.

When it comes to specific discussions, the two that are going to be mostly in the news are the projections of sea level rise and hurricanes. These issues contain a number of “known unknowns” – things that we know we don’t know. For sea level rise the unknown is how large an effect dynamic shifts in the ice sheets will be. These dynamic changes have already been observed, but are outside the range of what the ice sheet models can deal with (see this previous discussion). That means that their contribution to sea level rise is rather uncertain, but with the uncertainty all on the side of making things worse (see this recent paper for an assessment (Rahmstorf , Science 2007)). The language in the SPM acknowledges that stating

“Dynamical processes related to ice flow not included in current models but suggested by recent observations could increase the vulnerability of the ice sheets to warming, increasing future sea level rise. Understanding of these processes is limited and there is no consensus on their magnitude.”

Note that some media have been comparing apples with pears here: they claimed IPCC has reduced its upper sea level limit from 88 to 59 cm, but the former number from the TAR did include this ice dynamics uncertainty, while the latter from the AR4 does not, precisely because this issue is now considered more uncertain and possibly more serious than before.

On the hurricane/tropical strorm issue, the language is quite nuanced, as one might expect from a consensus document. The link between SST and tropical storm intensity is clearly acknowledged, but so is the gap between model projections and analyses of cyclone observations. “The apparent increase in the proportion of very intense storms since 1970 in some regions is much larger than simulated by current models for that period.”

We will address some of these issues and how well we think they did in specific posts over the next few weeks. There’s a lot of stuff here, and even we need time to digest it!
Tout d’abord, étant donné les avancées scientifiques faites depuis le troisième rapport d’évaluation (« TAR» en anglais / « TRE » en français) de 2001 – largement discuté ici – personne ne devrait être surpris que le QRE arrive à une conclusion encore plus forte. En particulier, le rapport conclut que l’influence humaine sur le climat est « très probablement» (avec une chance supérieure à 90%) déjà discernable dans les observations ; alors que dans le troisième rapport l’influence n’était que « probable » (> 66% chance). Les résultats principaux incluent ici d’une part des simulations pour le 20ème siècle par les meilleurs modèles climatiques qui démontrent que les tendances récentes ne peuvent être expliquées sans prendre en compte l’augmentation anthropique en gaz à effet de serre, et d’autre part des pièces à conviction comme le réchauffement océanique, la fonte de la glace de mer, la fonte des glaciers et de la migration des écosystèmes. L’ensemble de ces éléments rendent les projections de changements en cours encore plus grands (en particulier pour les scénarios « business as usual») quasiment indiscutables.

Etant donné tout le battage dans les médias depuis le TRE, nombre d’entre nous étaient curieux de voir ce que le nouveau rapport indiquerait au sujet des reconstructions paléoclimatiques des 1000 dernières années. Les « sceptiques »(euphémisme pour désigner les dernières personnes doutant encore du rôle de l’homme dans les changements climatiques récents) seront sans aucun doute déçus. Les conclusions ont été sensiblement renforcées par rapport à celles émises dans le TRE, ce qui était logiquement prévu en raison des nombreuses études additionnelles faites depuis et qui pointent toutes dans la même direction. La conclusion que le réchauffement récent à grande échelle excède « probablement » l’amplitude climatique des dix derniers siècles des 1000 dernières années dans le TRE, a été étendu aux 1300 dernières années dans ce rapport, et la confiance dans cette conclusion passe de « probablement » dans le TRE à « très probablement» dans le QRE pour les 500 dernières années. C’est juste l’un des nombreux éléments indépendants démontrant l’influence anthropique sur le climat ; certains voulaient le faire passer comme l’élément clé de l’évidence du changement climatique mais étant donné tous les autres éléments il est à présent encore moins le pilier central sur lequel repose les conclusions de l’influence humaine sur le climat.

Les incertitudes, au niveau science, impliquent principalement la nature précise des changements à prévoir, en particulier en ce qui concerne l’élévation du niveau de la mer, les changements d’El Niño et les changements hydrologiques régionaux – fréquence des sécheresses et fonte de neige, des tempêtes aux moyennes latitudes, et naturellement, des ouragans. Il peut être amusant de décortiquer les discussions sur ces sujets (et nous prévoyons qu’il y aura des commentaires substantiels dans la presse), mais celles-ci ne doivent pas occulter les conclusions principales beaucoup plus fermes.

Le processus de finalisation du SPM (qui est bien décrit ici
et là) est quelque chose qui peut sembler étrange. Les représentants de gouvernement de toutes les nations participantes prennent le résumé de l’ébauche (écrite par les auteurs principaux des différents chapitres) et discutent si le texte reflète vraiment les résultats scientifiques fondamentaux décrits dans le rapport principal. L’essentiel ici est de noter que ce qu’ont écrit au début les auteurs principaux ne l’est pas nécessairement sous la forme la plus clair ou la moins ambigüe d’un point de vue sémantique, et les gouvernements (pour qui le rapport est écrit) sont parfaitement autorisés à demander que les formulations soit modifiées de manière à que les conclusions soient correctement comprises à la fois par eux-mêmes et les scientifiques. Il est également important de noter que la formulation finale retenue doit être d’une part conforme aux résultats scientifiques fondamentaux des chapitres techniques, et d’autre part validée par les scientifiques. L’avantage de ce processus est que pour toutes les personnes impliquées, le sens de chaque phrase est parfaitement claire. Pour rappel, après la publication du rapport sur les reconstructions des températures de surface par les National Academies, de nombreuses discussions portaient sur le sens du mot « plausible ». Ce genre de chose ne devrait pas se produire avec le QRE.

Le processus du SPM a également un objectif politique très utile. Spécifiquement, il permet aux gouvernements impliqués de se sentir en partie « propriétaires» et parties prenantes du rapport. Ceci rend difficile les tergiversations ultérieures et les rejets du rapport en utilisant l’argument qu’il a été écrit par quelqu’un d’autre. Ceci oblige ainsi les gouvernements à s’impliquer pour que le rapport soit aussi bon qu’il puisse l’être (dans la marge fixée par les incertitudes). Il y a en fait de nombreuses barrières de sécurité (dont la présence des scientifiques) pour s’assurer que le rapport ne soit pas biaisé et orienté dans telle ou telle direction. Cependant, ceci peut être à tort interprété comme un processus de négociation sur l’intégralité du résumé. Ce serait une conclusion fausse – les négociations, telles qu’elles sont effectuées, sont en fait très fortement contraintes par la science fondamentale sous-jacente.

Enfin, certaines personnes se demandent pourquoi le SPM est publié maintenant alors que le rapport principal ne doit pas être publié avant le mois d’avril. Il y a un certain nombre de raisons – premièrement, la réunion de Paris a été une affaire tellement médiatisée que maintenir un embargo sur le SPM jusqu’à ce que le rapport principal soit prêt est probablement inutile. En ce qui concerne le rapport principal lui-même, il n’a pas été relu et corrigé, et les données de l’année 2006 n’ont pas encore pu être incluses dans le manuscrit. Enfin, des améliorations du SPM au niveau sémantique devraient être de nouveau répercutées au niveau des différents chapitres afin de lever toute ambiguïté. Au niveau science, le contenu ne changera pas.

Si cela avait été possible, nous aurions essayé d’obtenir l’ensemble en même temps, permettant ainsi une sortie synchrone. A noter que l’Arctic Climate Impact Assessment a utilisé en 2004 une procédure similaire – ce qui a conduit à un peu de confusion étant donné que les déclarations dans le résumé n’étaient pas référencées.
Quelle fût la qualité des précédents rapports à propos de leurs projections du futur ? En fait, pour les 16 dernières années (depuis le premier rapport en 1990), elles ont été remarquablement bonnes pour les changements du CO2 ainsi que des températures mais ont par contre sous-évalué les changements du niveau marin.
En ce qui concerne les discussions spécifiques, ce sont les prévisions relatives à l’élévation du niveau marin et aux cyclones que l’on va retrouver de manière dominante dans la presse. Ces questions comportent un certain nombre d’ « inconnues connues », – c’est à dire de choses dont nous soupçonnons le rôle et l’existence mais que nous ne connaissons pas suffisament pour les inclure dans les modèles. Pour le niveau marin, l’inconnue est l’ampleur du changement dynamique des calottes polaires. Ces changements dynamiques ont déjà été observés, mais non utilisables par les modèles de calottes polaires (voir cette discussion précédente). Cela signifie que leur contribution à l’élévation du niveau marin est plutôt incertaine, mais dans tous les cas l’incertitude liée à ce processus ne fera qu’empirer la situation (voir un papier récent pour une estimation (Rahmstorf, Science 2007 ). Ceci est reconnu dans le résumé et formulé ainsi :

« Les processus dynamiques relatifs au mouvement de la glace qui ne sont pas inclus dans les modèles actuels mais suggérés par les observations récentes, peuvent accroître la vulnérabilité de la calotte glaciaire au réchauffement, ceci accentuant la future élévation du niveau marin. La compréhension de ces processus est limitée et il n’y a pas de consensus sur leur amplitude. »

A noter que quelques médias comparent des résultats non strictement comparables : ils ont déclaré que le GIEC a réduit l’ampleur maximale de 88 à 59 cm, mais le chiffre précédent du TRE incluait cette incertitude relative à la dynamique de la glace, alors que ce n’est pas le cas avec le QRE, précisément parce que cette question est maintenant considérée comme davantage incertaine et peut-être plus sérieuse qu’avant.

A propos de la problématique cyclones/tempêtes tropicales, le ton est assez nuancé, comme l’on doit s’y attendre dans un document de consensus. Le lien entre température de surface céanique et intensité des tempêtes tropicales est clairement reconnu, comme l’ est la différence entre les projections des modèles et les analyses des observations cycloniques. «L’augmentation apprente de la proportion de cyclones très intenses depuis 1970 dans quelques régions est bien plus grande que celle simulée par les modèles actuels pour cette période ».

Nous aborderons quelques unes de ces questions et nous donnerons notre avis sur la manière dont elles ont été traitées dans des articles spécifiques dans les semaines à venir. Il y a beaucoup de travail en perspective, et nous avons, nous aussi, besoin de temps pour digérer tous ces résultats !

Traduit de l’anglais par T. de Garidel et O. Daniélo


Temos tido uma política de (em geral) não comentar os vários rascunhos, citações incorretas e erros de leitura no relatório da Quarta Avaliação (“AR4” para aqueles acostumados com acrônimos) do IPCC. Agora que o sumário para tomadores de decisão (ou “SPM”) do IPCC foi enfim publicado, é possível discutir seu cerne sem nos preocupar tanto com sutilezas e detalhes do relatório. Esta postagem é somente inicial, desde que planejamos avaliar o relatório capítulo por capítulo durante os próximos meses, explicando as questões chaves e as questões ainda incertas. Este relatório será repetidamente referenciado nos próximos meses, de modo que poderemos a tempo realizar um trabalho razoável explicando seu conteúdo e motivo.

Em primeiro lugar, pelas pesquisas que vêm sendo realizadas desde o Terceiro Relatório de Avaliação (TAR) de 2001 – muitas das quais têm sido discutidas aqui – não é surpresa alguma que o AR4 traga uma forte conclusão. Em particular, o relatório conclui que as influências humanas sobre o clima são “muito possivelmente” (> 90% probabilidade) detectáveis nos dados observados; aumentado de “possivelmente” (> 66% probabilidade) no TAR. Resultados chaves apresentados aqui incluem as simulações climáticas ao longo do século XX, realizadas com os mais modernos modelos de clima, demostrando que as recentes tendências não podem ser explicadas sem a inclusão do aumento da concentração de gases de efeito estufa devido às ações humanas. Esse aumento também é consistente com o aquecimento dos oceanos, derretimento de gelo nos mares e em terra, e sinais de mudanças em ecossistemas naturais. Tal conjuntura torna irrefutáveis as projeções de grandes e contínuas mudanças ao longo do tempo, particularmente sobre o cenário business as usual (sem mudanças nos padrões globais de produção e consumo).

Tendo em vista todo o sensacionalismo desde o TAR, muitos de nós estávamos curiosos para ver o que o novo relatório iria trazer sobre as reconstruções paleoclimáticas dos últimos 1000 anos. Os ’contrários‘ irão sem dúvida ficar desapontados. As conclusões têm sido significativamente fortalecidas em relação ao que havia no TAR, o que certamente deveria ser esperado, haja vista os numerosos estudos adicionais que têm sido feitos apontando para uma mesma direção. A conclusão de que o recente aquecimento em grande escala provavelmente excede o alcance visto nos últimos séculos, foi estendido dos 1000 anos utilizados no TAR, para os últimos 1300 anos no relatório atual, e a confiança nessa conclusão foi promovida de “possivelmente” no TAR para “muito possivelmente” no relatório atual para o último meio milênio passado. Esta é apenas uma das várias e independentes linhas de evidências agora apontando em direção a uma clara influência antropogênica sobre o clima. Porém, dada todas as outras, as reconstruções paleoclimáticas são agora menos ainda o pilar central das evidências da influência humana sobre clima do que vinham incorretamente sendo consideradas.

As incertezas científicas envolvem principalmente a natureza precisa das mudanças esperadas, particularmente com respeito à elevação do nível do mar, mudanças do El Niño e em regimes hidrológicos regionais – freqüência de secas e descongelamento de coberturas de gelo, tempestades em latitudes médias, e com certeza, furacões. Pode ser divertido avaliar os pormenores das discussões nestes tópicos (e nós esperamos que haverá uma cobertura substancial da impresa sobre eles), mas isso não deve nos distrair das principais e das mais sólidas conclusões.

O processo de finalização do SPM (o qual é bem descrito aqui and aqui) pode parecer um pouco estranho. Representantes dos governos de todas as nações participantes pegam o rascunho do sumário (como escrito por um dos autores líderes de um dos capítulos individuais) e discutem se o texto reflete fielmente a ciência que está por trás do relatório principal. A chave aqui é notar que o que os autores líderes originalmente redigiram não é necessariamente a mais clara ou menos ambígua linguagem, de modo que cabe perfeitamente aos governos (para os quais o relatório está sendo escrito) insistirem que a linguagem seja modificada para que as conclusões sejam corretamente entendidas por eles e pelos cientistas. É também importante frisar que os cientistas têm que estar contentes com a linguagem final acordada, e se esta concorda com a ciência contida nos capítulos técnicos. A vantagem desse processo é que qualquer um envolvido está absolutamente consciente dos significados de cada sentença. Lembre-se que depois do National Academies report on surface temperature reconstructions” houve muita discussão sobre a definição de ‘plausível’. Este tipo de coisa não deve ocorrer no AR4.

O processo do SPM também é muito útil como uma proposta política. Especificamente, ele permite aos governos envolvidos sentirem-se ‘como parte’ do relatório. Isso torna difícil mudanças posteriores nas posições assumidas, com base no argumento de que o relatório foi escrito por outra pessoa. Isso fornece aos governos um absoluto interesse em tornar esse relatório o melhor possível (dada as incertezas). Existem de fato muitas salvaguardas (ao menos pelos cientistas presentes) para assegurar que o relatório não seja enviesado em qualquer direção preferencial. Todavia, o lado ruim é que ele pode ser erroneamente confundido como um ponto de partida para negociações. Esta pode ser uma conclusão falsa – as negociações estão, de fato, fortemente constritas pela ciência subjacente.

Finalmente, poucas pessoas têm se perguntado por que o SPM está sendo lançado agora enquanto o relatório deverá ainda ser publicado em alguns meses. Existe um número de razões – primeiramente, a reunião de Paris possui tal significado público que segurar o SPM até que o relatório principal esteja pronto torna-se sem sentido. O relatório principal propriamente dito ainda não foi corrigido na íntegra, e não houve tempo suficiente para incluir dados observacionais do fim de 2006. Uma questão final é que as melhorias na concisão da linguagem do SPM devem ser propagadas para os capítulos individuais, de modo a remover qualquer ambigüidade superficial. O conteúdo científico não deve mudar.

Se dependesse de nós, teriamos tentado colocar tudo junto de modo que eles pudessem ser lançados ao mesmo tempo, mas talvez isto não fosse possível. Notamos que o “Arctic Climate Impact Assessment” em 2004 também teve um procedimento similar – o que levou a uma certa confusão inicial, pois as afirmações contidas no sumário não estavam referenciadas.

O quão bom estavam os relatórios anteriores do IPCC quanto à antecipação do futuro? Na verdade, nos últimos 16 anos (desde o primeiro relatório em 1990), eles têm se mostrado notavelmente bons para as mudanças de CO2 e temperatura, mas com previsões não tão boas acerca das mudanças do nível do mar.

Com relação às discussões específicas, os dois temas mais cobertos pelos jornais são as projeções de aumento do nível do mar e os furacões. Essas questões contêm um número de “ignorâncias conhecidas” – coisas que nós sabemos que não sabemos. Para o aumento do nível do mar, o desconhecimento é quão grande será o efeito de alterações na dinâmica das superfícies de gelo. Tais mudanças dinâmicas já foram observadas, mas estão fora do alcance da capacidade dos modelos atuais de superfícies de gelo (veja esta discussão anterior). Isso significa que suas contribuições para o aumento do nível do mar são bastante incertas, mas com todas as incertezas pendendo para o pior cenário (veja este recente artigo para uma avaliação (Rahmstorf , Science 2007)). A linguagem no SPM ressalta isso dizendo
“Processos dinãmicos relacionados à movimentação de gelo não incluídos nos modelos correntes mas sugeridos por observações recentes podem ampliar a vulnerabilidade das superfícies de gelo ao aquecimento, aumentando a futura elevação do mar. A compreensão desses processos é limitada e não há consenso sobre sua magnitude.”

Note que alguns órgãos da mídia têm comparado maçãs com peras: eles argumentam que o IPCC reduziu seu limite superior do nível do mar de 88 para 59 cm, mas o primeiro número do TAR incluiu a incerteza da dinâmica do gelo, enquanto que o último do AR4 não inclui, precisamente porque essa questão é agora considerada mais incerta e possivelmente mais séria que antes.

No caso das tempestades tropicais/furacões, a linguagem é muito suave, como pode-se esperar do um documento de consenso. A ligação entre SST e a intensidade de tempestades tropicais é claramente reconhecida, mas também a distância entre as projeções de modelos e as análises das observações de ciclones. “O aumento aparente da porporção de eventos muito intensos desde 1970 em algumas regiões é muito maior que o simulado pelo modelos atuais para este período”.

Iremos focalizar algumas dessas questões em postagens específicas durante as próximas semanas. Existe muita coisa aqui, e o nós precisaremos de tempo para digerir tudo!

Traduzido do inglês por Ivan B. T. Lima e Fernando M. Ramos.


Ingilizce’den çeviren: Figen Mekik

Uluslararası Iklim Değişikliği Görevgücü (UIDG) dördüncü değerlendirme raporunun (4DR) çeşitli müsveddelerini ve hakkındaki doğru veya yanlış yargıları burada konu etmemeyi politika edinmiştik. Ancak, şimdi politika belirliyiciler için özeti (PBÖ) yayınlandığından, raporun içeriğini değişikliğe uğrayacağı endişesi olamadan tartışabiliriz. Bu yazımız tüm raporun tartışmasındaki ilk adımımız olacak. Önümüzdeki aylarda raporu ve içindeki önemli konuları, kavramları ve belirsizlikleri teker teker işlemeyi düşünüyoruz. Önümüzdeki bir kaç sene içinde bu rapora pek çok atıf yapılacağı muhakkak; bu yüzden raporun içeriğini ve içinde yazılanların sebeplerini detaylı olarak ele almamız gerekli.

Ilkin, Üçüncü Değerlendirme Raporunun (3DR) 2001’de yayınlanmasından beri (bu konuyu çok tartıştık burada) ilerleyen bilim sayesinde 4DR’nin daha sağlam sonuçlara varmış olması kimseyi şaşırtmamalı. Özellikle 4DR şu sonuca varmış: insanların küresel iklim üzerindeki etkisinin ölçülebilir izler bırakıyor olma olasılığı yüzde 90’ın üzerinde. Bu 3DR’de sadece yüzde 66 olarak belirlenmişti. Buradaki önemli sonuçlardan biri en yeni bilgisayar modelleriyle yapılan 20inci yüzyıl iklim benzetimlerinde son yıllarda iklimde gözlemlenen eğilimlerin insan-dışı etkenlerle açıklanamaması, ve bu trendleri açıklayabilmek için modellere muhakkak insanlardan kaynaklanan sera gazlarındaki artış, düzenli olarak deniz sularının ısınması, deniz buzlarının erimesi, buzulların erimesi ve ekosistem kaymaları eklenmesi gerekmektedir. Bu da, “her-zamanki-gibi-iş-başında” (business as usual) tutumundan sonuçlanacak daha büyük iklim değişikliklerinin olacağını tartışmasız kabul edilecek hale getiriyor.

3DR’nin yarattığı tartışmalardan sonra, 4DR’nin, geçen 1000 yıl için yapılan geçmiş-iklim geriçatmaları hakkında ne yazdığını çok merak ettik. Karşı çıkanlar burada muhakkak hayal kırıklığına uğrayacaklar. 3DR’deki sonuçlara göre yeni rapordakiler çok daha güçlendirilmiş vaziyette. Tabii bu beklenen bir gelişme çünkü üçüncü rapordan bu yana pek çok bilimsel çalışma yapıldı ve tüm bu çalışmalar hep aynı yönde sonuçlara vardılar. Güncel geniş yöresel ısınmanın herhalde geçtiğimiz yüzyıllarda görülen ısınmadan daha fazla olduğu vargısı, üçüncü raporda “geçmiş binyıl’a göre’ye” çıkarılmıştı ve herhalde yerine olasılıkla denilmişti; ve şimdi yeni raporda bu ısınmanın büyük olasılıkla geçmiş 1300 yılda gözlemlenenden daha çok olduğu belirlendi. Pek çok bağımsız ve somut delil kullanımı yoluyla da görüyoruz ki iklim üzerinde insan-kaynaklı net bir etki var. Ancak, diğer tüm delilleri göz önünde bulundurursak, artık insan-kaynaklı iklim değişimi savında geçmiş-iklim geriçatmaları daha az önem taşıyor; zaten bu geriçatmalar yanlış vurgulanmıştı.

Bu bilim dalındaki belirsizliklerin çoğu olabilecek değişikliklerin tam karakterini kestirememe çerçevesinde yoğunlaşıyor, özellikle deniz seviyesindeki artışlar, El Nino ile ilgili ve bölgesel hidrolojik değişimler (mesela, kuraklık sıklığı ve yoğun kar erimesi, orta enlem fırtınaları ,ve tabbi ki kasırgalar). Her ne kadar bu konuları tartışmak çok zevkli olacaksa da (herhalde medya bu konuda çok tartışmaya meydan tutacaktır), raporun yukarıda bahsettiğimiz daha sağlam ve önemli diğer sonuçlarını gözardı etmemeliyiz.

PBÖ’nün son haline getirilmesi süreci biraz tuhaf gelebilir (ki burada ve burada tarifleri var). Ilgili tüm devletlerin temsilcileri bu özetin bir kopyasını alıp (ki bu özetler rapordaki her bolümünün önde gelen yazarları tarafından hazırlanıyor), ana rapordaki metnin gerçekten arkasındaki bilimi yansıtıp yansıtmadığını tartıştılar. Burada dikkat edilen husus şu: önde gelen yazarların ilkin hazirladiği özetteki ifade olabilecek en net ve kesin anlatımla yazılmamış olabilir. Dolayısıyla bu devletlerin temsilcileri (ki zaten bu kişiler için bu rapor hazırlanıyor) bu raporda istedikleri değişiklerin yapılmasında israr etmeye yüzde yüz hak sahibi oluyorlar ki raporu, hem kendileri hem de yazan bilim insanları rahatlıkla anlayabilsinler. Bir diğer husus da şu ki bu metni hazırlayan ve düzelten bilim insanları yeni metinden memnun ve raporun arkasinda yatan bilimsel sonuçlarla bağdaştığından emin olmalılar. Bu süreci olumlu yanı bu konuyla uğraşan herkesin her cümledeki manayı açıkça anlayabilmesidir. Hatırlarsanız Milli Akademi’nin (National Academies) yüzey ısı geriçatması raporundaki “muhtemel” kelimesi çok tartışma yaratmıştı. 4DR’de bunun engellenmesi isteniyor.

PBÖ sürecinin ayrıca son derece değerli bir siyasi amacı da var: ilgili devletlerin rapora sahip çıkmasını sağlıyor. Bu, ileride raporun “başkasi yazdı” mazeretiyle ört bas edilmesine engel olacaktır. Raporun olabileceği en iyi hale gelmesinde (belirsizlikler dahilinde) bu devletlerin de çıkarı oluyor dolayısıyla. Hatta burada raporun herhangi bir eğilime tabi olmasını engelleyecek pek çok koruyucu unsur mevcut. Ancak, bu tutum yanlış algılanabilir; tüm raporun tartışmaya açık olduğu izlenimini verebilir. Bu doğru bir yargı olmaz çünkü raporla ilgili tartişmalar çok sağlam bilimsel gerçeklere dayanmaktadır.

Son olarak, pek çok kişi PBÖ’nün neden ana rapordan aylar once yayınlandığını sordu. Bunun bir kaç sebebi var: ilk olarak, Paris toplantisi o kadar aleni bir olay oldu ki, PBÖ’yü ana rapor yayınlanana kadar tutmak anlamsızlaştı. Ana rapora gelince, henüz detaylı bir şekilde okunup düzeltilmedi ve 2006 yılının sonuna kadar gözlemlenen ve ölçülen veriler henüz rapora dahil edilemedi. Ve bir diğer husus da PBÖ’nün yazım dilinde yapılan düzeltmeler rapordaki ait oldukları bölumlere aktarılmalı, ve açıkça ifade edilememiş öyeler düzeltilmeli. Ama raporun bilimsel içeriği değismeyecek.

Bize kalsaydı, biz herseyi bir arada hazırlayıp sunmayı isterdik, ama belki bu mümkün olamadı. 2004’deki Arktik Iklim Etkisi Değerlendirmesinde de benzeri bir sürecin yaşandığını gördük, ve bu süreç bazı yanlış anlaşılmalara sebep oldu çünkü özetteki bazı yazılanlar raporla desteklenememişti.

Geçmiş UIDG raporları geleceği tahmin etmekte ne kadar başarılı oldu? Aslında, son 16 yıldır (ilk rapor 1990’da yayınlandı), atmosferdeki CO 2 ve ısı değişimlerini belirlemekte başarılıydılar ama deniz seviyesi hesapları gerçekte gözlemlenenden az oldu.

Belirli tartışma konularına gelince, başında en çok ele alınacak iki unsur var: deniz seviyesindeki değişiklikler ve kasırgalar. Bu unsurların bir kaç tane “bilinen bilinmeyenleri” var – yani hakkinda fazla bilgimizin olmadığını bildiğimiz şeyler. Deniz seviyesindeki değişiklikler için kestirmediğimiz unsur buzul levhalarındaki dinamik değişimlerin deniz seviyesini nasıl etkilediği. Bu dinamik değişiklikler gözlemlendi, ama gözlemlerimiz buzul levhası modellerinin kapasitesi dışında oldu (daha önceki tartışmamızı burada okuyun). Bu da buzul levhalarının dinamiğinin deniz seviyesi üzerinde etkisinin henüz belirsiz olmasından kaynaklanıyor; ancak bu belirsizliğin çapı deniz seviyesindeki artışı daha da vahim yapacak doğrultuda (bu konuyu değerlendirmek için yeni yayınlanmış şu makaleye bakabilirsiniz (Rahmstorf, Science 2007)). PBO bu konuyu şöyle dile getiriyor:

“Güncel modellere dahil edilmeyen ancak yakın zaman içinde gözlemlenmiş olan buzul akışıyla ilgili dinamik süreçler, buzul levhalarını küresel ısınmaya karşı daha da hassaslastırabilir, ve ileride deniz seviyesinde daha fazla artışa sebep olabilir. Bu süreçlerin anlaşılabilirliği sınırlıdır ve boyutu hakkında bir ortak kanı henüz yoktur.”

Burada şuna dikkatinizi çekelim: bu konuda bazı medyacılar elmalarla armutları kıyaslamaktalar: Diyorlar ki UIDG deniz seviyesi artışı tahmininin üst sınırını 88 den 59 cm’e indirdi. Ancak, 3DR bu buzul dinamiği belirsizliğini hesaba katmıştı; 4DR katmadı çünkü özellikle bu unsur şimdi daha az kesin tespit edilebilir bulunuyor ve muhtemelen eskiden olduğundan daha ciddi kabul ediliyor.

Kasırga/tropik fırtına konusuna gelince, rapordaki uslupta çok nuans var, ve bir ortak karar belgesinden bu beklenir. Deniz üstü ısısı ile tropik fırtına sıklığı arasındaki iliski açıkça kabul görmüş vaziyette, ancak aynı açıklıkla görülen bir diğer şey de model tahminleri ile kasirga analizleri arasindaki büyük farklar. “1970’den beri bazı bölgelerde görülen güçlü kasrıgalarda sıklık (artıs) modellerin tahminin çok üstünde.”

Önümüzdeki haftalarda bu konuları ve PBÖ’nün başarısını tartısacağız. Burada çok malzeme var ve hazmetmek için bizim de zamana ihtiyacımız var!


Traducido por Covadonga Escandon

Hemos seguido un política de (casi) no comentar los distintos borradores, citas erróneas y lecturas equivocadas del Cuarto informe de evaluación (AR4 por sus siglas en inglés) del Grupo Intergubernamental de Expertos sobre Cambio Climático (IPCC). Sin embargo, ahora que ya ha sido publicado el resumen para responsables de políticas (o SPM), podemos discutir los contenidos del reporte sin tener que preocuparnos de que los detalles vayan a cambiar. Este artículo será el primero en el que hablaremos sobre el reporte completo. Planeamos ir capítulo por capítulo y esperamos explicar los puntos clave y las dudas claves que aún quedan durante los próximos meses. Este reporte será citado repetidamente durante los próximos años así que podemos tomarnos el tiempo necesario para explicar bien qué contiene y por qué.

En primer lugar, dada la ciencia que se ha llevado a cabo desde el Tercer informe de evaluación (TAR) en 2001 -gran parte del cual ha sido discutido aquí- nadie debería sorprenderse de que el AR4 llegue a una conclusión más firme. En particular, el reporte llega a la conclusión de es “muy factible” (> 90% de probabilidad) que las influencias humanas sobre el clima ya sean detectables en los registros de observaciones; en el TAR esto se consideraba como “factible” (> 66% de probabilidad). Los resultados claves aquí incluyen las simulaciones para el siglo XX usando modelos climáticos punteros que demuestran que las tendencias recientes no pueden ser explicadas si no se incluyen incrementos de gases de invernadero relacionados con los humanos así como evidencia consistente del calentamiento oceánico, del derretimiento de hielo marino y de glaciares y cambios en los ecosistemas. Esto hace que las proyecciones de mayores y continuados cambios ya iniciados (especialmente bajo escenarios “no cambiemos nada”) sean esencialmente indisputables.

Dado todo el sensacionalismo que ha habido desde el TAR, muchos de nosotros teníamos curiosidad por ver qué diría el nuevo reporte sobre reconstrucciones paleoclimáticas de los últimos mil años. Los detractores quedaran sin duda decepcionados en este sentido. Las conclusiones han sido significativamente fortalecidas con respecto a lo que estaba en el TAR, algo que era de esperarse dado el número de estudios adicionales que se han hecho desde entonces y que apuntan todos en la misma dirección. La conclusión de que el calentamiento reciente a gran escala factiblemente sobrepasa el rango observado durante los siglos anteriores ha sido ampliada de los últimos 1000 años en el TAR a los últimos 1300 años en el reporte actual y la confianza en esta conclusión se ha incrementado de “factible” en el TAR a “muy factible” para el último milenio en el nuevo reporte. Ésta es solamente una de las muchas líneas independientes de evidencia que apuntan ahora hacia una clara influencia antropogénica sobre el clima; pero, dadas todas las demás, las reconstrucciones
paleoclimáticas son ahora todavía menos el pilar central de evidencia sobre la influencia humana sobre el clima, que es lo que incorrectamente se ha hecho creer.

Las incertidumbres en la ciencia involucran principalmente la naturaleza exacta de los cambios que deben esperarse, particularmente con respecto al incremento del nivel del mar, cambios en El Niño y cambios hidrológicos regionales -frecuencia de las sequías y derretimiento de la cubierta nivosa, tormentas en latitudes medias y, por supuesto, huracanes. Puede ser interesante analizar en detalle las discusiones sobre estos temas (y esperamos que haya numerosos comentarios sobre ellos en la prensa), pero esto no debe distraernos de las principales y más sólidas conclusiones mencionadas arriba.

El proceso para terminar el SPM (que está descrito aquí y aquí) es algo que puede parecer un poco extraño. Representantes gubernamentales de todas las naciones participantes toman el borrador del resumen (tal y como lo escriben los autores principales de los capítulos) y discuten si el texto refleja realmente la ciencia que sustenta el reporte principal o no. Lo importante aquí es señalar que lo escrito por los autores principales originalmente no es necesariamente el lenguaje más claro posible ni el menos ambiguo, por ello los gobiernos (para quienes se escribe el reporte) tienen todo el derecho de insistir en que el lenguaje sea modificado de tal modo que las conclusiones sean entendidas correctamente por ellos y por los científicos. También es importante hacer notar que los científicos tienen que estar contentos con que el lenguaje final acordado se corresponde con la ciencia de los capítulos técnicos. La ventaja de este proceso es que todos los involucrados tiene perfectamente claro qué significa cada frase. Hay que recordar que después del reporte de las Academias Nacionales sobre las reconstrucciones de la temperatura de la superficie hubo una gran discusión sobre la definición de ‘plausible’. Este tipo de cosas no deberían pasar con el AR4.

El proceso para el SPM también sirve a un muy útil propósito político. Específicamente, permite que los gobiernos involucrados sientan como que parte del reporte “les pertenece” a ellos. Esto dificulta mucho que después algunos cambien de opinión y lo rechacen sobre la base de que fue escrito por alguien más. Esto hace que los gobiernos tengan un especial interés en que el reporte sea tan bueno como sea posible (dadas las incertidumbres). Hay de hecho gran cantidad de salvaguardas (empezando por los científicos presentes) para asegurar que el reporte no esté sesgado hacia alguna dirección concreta. Sin embargo, un aspecto negativo es que puede parecer erróneamente como si el resumen entero simplemente pudiera negociarse.

Esta sería una conclusión falsa: las negociaciones, tal y como están, se encuentran de hecho fuertemente restringidas por los hechos científicos. Finalmente, unas cuantas personas han preguntado porqué el SPM se hace público ahora mientras que el reporte completo no será publicado hasta dentro de un par de meses.

Hay varias razones: primero, el encuentro de París ha sido un asunto tan público que guardar el SPM hasta que esté listo el reporte principal probablemente no tiene sentido. En lo que respecta al reporte mismo, todavía no había sido revisado y aún no ha habido suficiente tiempo para incluir datos de observación de finales del 2006. Un último punto es que las mejoras en la claridad del lenguaje del SPM deben propagarse hacia los capítulos específicos de tal modo que desaparezca cualquier ambigüedad superficial. El contenido científico no cambiará.

Si hubiéramos podido decidir nosotros, hubiéramos tratado de tenerlo todo junto de tal manera que pudieran ser hecho públicos simultáneamente pero esto talvez hubiera sido imposible. Notamos que en el 2004, para la Evaluación de impactos climáticos del Ártico se siguió un procedimiento similar, lo que produjo algo de confusión inicialmente ya que algunas afirmaciones del resumen no tenían las citas correspondientes.

¿Qué tan buenos han resultado los anteriores reportes del IPCC haciendo proyecciones a futuro? De hecho, a lo largo de los últimos 16 años (desde el primer reporte en 1990), han resultado extraordinariamente buenos para cambios en el CO2 y cambios en la temperatura pero subestimaron los cambios en el nivel del mar.

En lo que se refiere a discusiones específicas, las dos que van a estar mayormente en las noticias son las proyecciones del aumento del nivel del mar y los huracanes. Estos temas contienen algunas “incógnitas conocidas” (cosas que sabemos que ignoramos). Para el incremento del nivel del mar, la incógnita es qué tan grande será el efecto de cambios dinámicos en las placas de hielo continentales. Estos cambios dinámicos ya han sido observados pero están fuera del rango con el que pueden lidiar los modelos para placas de hielo (ver esta discusión previa). Esto significa que su contribución al aumento en el nivel del mar es más bien incierta pero esta incertidumbre yace totalmente del lado que empeoraría las cosas (ver este reciente artículo para una evaluación: Rahmstorf, Science 2007). El lenguaje en el SPM reconoce dicha afirmación.

“Los procesos dinámicos relacionados con el flujo de hielo que no están incluidos en los modelos actuales pero que son sugeridos por observaciones recientes, incrementarían la vulnerabilidad de las placas de hielo al calentamiento, aumentando el futuro incremento en el nivel del mar. La comprensión de estos procesos es limitada y no hay un consenso sobre su magnitud.”

Hay que mencionar que algunos medios han estado comparando peras con manzanas en esto: afirmaron que el IPCC ha reducido su límite superior para el nivel del mar de 88 a 59 cm, pero la primera cifra dada en el TAR sí incluía esta incertidumbre de la dinámica del hielo mientras que la segunda dada en el AR4 no la incluye, justo porque a este tema se le considera ahora más incierto y posiblemente más serio que antes.

Sobre el tema de los huracanes/tormentas tropicales, el lenguaje está muy matizado, como es de esperarse en documento que refleja un consenso. La liga entre la temperatura de la superficie del mar (TSM) y la intensidad de las tormentas tropicales se admite claramente pero también se acepta la distancia entre las proyecciones de los modelos y los análisis de las observaciones de ciclones. “El aparente aumento en la proporción de las tormentas muy intensas desde 1970 en algunas regiones es mucho mayor de lo que simulan los modelos actuales para ese periodo.”

Abordaremos algunas de estas cuestiones y qué tan bien creemos que resultaron en artículos específicos durante las próximas semanas. ¡Hay mucho material aquí y nosotros también necesitamos tiempo para digerirlo!

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  1. Barton Paul Levenson says

    7 Feb 2007 at 8:11 AM

    [[Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn’t exist. ]]

    I agree. And the stars are painted on the sky.

  2. biffvernon says

    7 Feb 2007 at 8:23 AM

    There is a lot of attention being paid to the climate contribution from burning oil by flying, driving etc, but oil is limited. Coal may be a more serious problem.

    IPCC seem to accept CERA figures for future oil production, while these are regarded as nonsense in the Peak Oil community.

    The IPCC claim in their â��Summary of Policy Makersâ�� it will take another 490 [375 to 600] Gt of carbon emissions to give us +2C and 450ppmv yet, according to the latest ASPO newsletter, there is only 162 Gt of carbon remaining in all the available liquids fossil fuels over the coming century. The media seem to have oil in their sights as climate change public enemy number one when that just isn’t the case.

    I’m not saying we don’t face climate disaster – just that oil isn’t half as responsible as people make out.

  3. John L. McCormick says

    7 Feb 2007 at 8:36 AM

    RE # 242

    Ike, you said

    [In addition, wouldn’t solar forcing be expected to warm the stratosphere, which is actually cooling? ]

    You might look into the very low Antarctic ozone concentrations measured in 2006 and recently. Low concentrations of ozone in the stratosphere would enhance cooling I believe.

    In a later post, I will link several reports on extremely low Antarctic ozone DU readings.

  4. Eli Rabett says

    7 Feb 2007 at 9:23 AM

    #242 and #243. If you look at the measurements and attribution of cooling in the stratosphere, you see that relatively little of it is due to ozone depletion overall. As a matter of fact if you follow the links to the Stratospheric Ozone Textbook, you will see that there is essentially NO depletion in the tropics (slight exaggeration for point to be made). Therefore, if the entire process is solar driven you would see higher temperatures there, if nowhere else.

    Further, the ozone argument breaks down in the mesosphere and ionosphere. In particular, it would be indicative of solar/cosmic ray influences to know if O2 populations have decreased above the stratosphere due to photolysis, electron/ion chemistry(above~100 km most of the oxygen is found as O atoms).

  5. Lynn Vincentnathan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 9:50 AM

    RE #106 & 116, I didn’t think there was any evidence we had passed the point of no return….just suggesting that GW-induced mass extinctions had happened in the past (55 mya & 251 mya) & could happen now (esp since our AGW is so much more rapid). If & when there is evidence of this hysteresis upon us, it would be way too late to turn back (I figure scientific certainty about it will be reached AFTER the fact). So, it’s just fine there’s no current evidence. We really don’t want evidence on this, so we need to stop the experiment now.

    RE #163 & 177, the people who post the main articles here are top climate scientists, who publish in peer-reviewed science journals and are employed by top universities and gov research institutes, like NASA. The rest of us are a mixed batch. I’m an anthropologist and criminologist. Perhaps you should know this blog’s purpose is for scientists to explain climate science to laypersons in simple and understandable language. I’ve learn a lot, and I share what I’ve learned with my students, academic community, church, and others. So it is climate science for Mr/Ms Everyperson.

    My main contribution, since I did my thesis on environmental victimology, is to keep pointing out that science is very cautious in its claims, requiring high standards that something is happening before making claims, while (you’d think)policy-makers, victims, environmentalists, moral persons, people living in the world would be more interested in avoiding “false negatives,” avoiding doing nothing to solve a problem when it is actually happening. They’d like high probability a problem is NOT happening, before ceasing to be concerned about it. (Sorry to the regulars here that I sound like a broken record on this.) And I sometimes bring up the human dimension of climate change (as my education is in the human sciences), since humans are causing this and will be affected by it. However, we only know that psychological (cognitive/emotional), social (politics/economics/kinship and so on — the “other people” and social relations factor), and cultural (beliefs, values, ideology, technology) factors play into climate change in various ways, but the human sciences are not that great in predicting as the physical sciences are, hence the wide range of human emission scenarios in the IPCC reports — from “if people are really good and smart” up to “if people are really bad and stupid.”

    But you can take climate science & global warming or leave it if you wish — that’s what I tell my students when I teach evolution, they don’t have to believe it, they only have to learn it to pass the test. So, if you take a course in climate science, I’d suggest learning it for the test, even if your religious or political beliefs disallow you believing in it.

  6. Ike Solem says

    7 Feb 2007 at 10:28 AM

    RE#249,
    Adam, Switching the baseline does matter when you are trying to make a determination of how climate changes relative to a given historical average, as well as when you are comparing th output of a 2001 climate change report and a 2007 climate change report.

    Clearly, using a higher baseline lowers the temperature anomalies, and since anomalies are often discussed as data in place of temperature records, it realy amounts to fudging data to make the observed temperature changes look lower then they actually are relative to the 20th century average.

    If you wanted to look at the variability index, what you’d want to do is compare temperature spikes to the five-year running average.

    For example, look at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/

    This shows the anomaly record relative to the 1950-1980 period, when global warming had not become evident (although the atmospheric CO2 content was increasing)

    If the IPCC report claims that sea levels were 4-6 m higher in the last interglacial 125,000 years ago, when temperatures were 3-5C higher then they are today, what ‘today’ are they talking about? The ‘today’ they reference in the 2001 report (the 1961-1990 period) or the ‘today’ in the 2007 report, the 1980-1999 period.

    Note that the IPCC report states explicity that 11 of the 12 warmest years on record were in the past 12 years, and that means that they are including the warming trend in their baseline – so what do you think they mean when they say “today”?

    The same argument applies to NOAA, who in their 2005 “State of the Arctic” report discuss ‘warm and cool anomalies’ even though they don’t discuss the fact that they raised the baseline from 1961-1990 to 1971-2000.

  7. lars says

    7 Feb 2007 at 11:02 AM

    re #248 and @251
    I guess you did not notice it was not me saying it, it was:

    Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (www.nrsp.com), is a Victoria-based environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. He can be reached at letters@canadafreepress.com

    As for so called scientific consensus, there have been many and completely wrong, remember the flat earth people, remember the earth as the center of the universe, etc etc etc….

  8. Ike Solem says

    7 Feb 2007 at 11:37 AM

    RE#255,
    Lynne, you say – “But you can take climate science & global warming or leave it if you wish — that’s what I tell my students when I teach evolution, they don’t have to believe it, they only have to learn it to pass the test”

    Ouch! I winced when I read that – pardon me, but that is the worst approach to teaching science that exists – rote memorization and regurgitation. Science is based fundamentally on reliable and exchangeable information – Richard Feynman, a great scientist and a great teacher (a truly rare combination) explained science as something you explain to someone else on the other side of the world through a telephone – i.e. if you set up the experiment I describe, then you should get this result; pass a light beam through a glass prism, you should see a rainbow of colors – it’s all about independent verification, not about rote memorization of some text.

    Really, there is no worse way of teaching science then the method you just described!

  9. Dan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 12:36 PM

    rE: 257. Oh please. There was never a scientific consensus about the earth being flat (I believe this has been discussed at length here at RC). That is a tired, very old red herring that is constantly repeated with no evidence to support it. Simply repeating what someone may have told you is not a fact and spreading disinformation. For example, Columbus did not sail off from Spain thinking he would fall off the face of the earth. Maps of the earth showing it was round existed.

    Please learn about the meaning of scientific consensus, specifically how a consensus is attained and the methods that are followed. To make any assumptions without a fundamental understanding of what is involved is disingenuous. And to disavow literally thousands of scientists compared to a personal belief that does not stand up to scientific, peer review is simply wrong.

  10. Ike Solem says

    7 Feb 2007 at 12:42 PM

    RE#250,
    Charles, first if we look at the IPCC report (which is clearly consevative in terms of the science), the solar and volcanic forcings are indeed included. Look at figure SPM-4, where the blue band represents the 5-95% confidence interval for runs of 19 models using only solar and volcanic forcings – your question seems to be, what accounts for the pre-WWII excursion of the actual temperatures above the ‘natural forcings’ – well, people were buring a lot of fossil fuels in those days as well – there’s no need to call on an additional ‘natural forcing’ – humans are ‘natural’, aren’t we?

    So, why does Solanki’s reconstruction, based on a single Greenland ice core, find such a widespread acceptance among contrarians? They say that the ‘period of high solar activity in the last 60 years is unique during the past 1,150 years. However, the solar maximum peaked back in 2001 – see NASA scientists who monitor the Sun say that our star’s awesome magnetic field is flipping – a sure sign that solar maximum is here. Feb 2001

    So, what effect does this have on climate? The notion that cosmic ray fluxes causes changes in cloudiness thereby controlling climate has been disposed of. So, what is the variation in solar irradiance? There is only 25 years or so of satellite data on this issue, meaning that there is plenty of wiggle room for those who wish to blame global warming on something other than human use of fossil fuels. One must rely on the paleoclimate record.

    There are two approaches: 14C in tree rings, and 10Be in ice cores, both of which are produced by cosmic rays striking the top of the atmosphere. The 14C tree ring record has also allowed researchers to show that the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is due to burning of fossil fuels (since million-year old fossil fuels are lacking in 14C). The 14C record does not agree with the single ice core record that Solanki and the contrarians rely on for their claims of a dominant solar influence on climate, and neither do other 10Be records.

    Thus, if the 14C and 10Be records all agreed with one another, and with the neutron data, then they might have an argument – but they don’t. In addition, since we are now approaching a minimum of the 11-year sunspot cycle, the climate should be cooling if global warming was due to solar forcing (see above link) – but instead we see a continued warming trend with new record temps being set every year.

    However, the public relations departments have picked up on this argument, and are widely promoting it; see for example:Talking Point#40: Sun is Real Culprit in Global Warming, 1998 According to that, we’re supposed to be entering a period of ‘global cooling’…

  11. Charles Muller says

    7 Feb 2007 at 12:42 PM

    #254 Eli

    Thanks for the link and the textbook. I don’t understand where the first graphic come from. In fact, there is some ozone depletion in low-latitudes and mid-latitudes, less pronounced than over South Pole, not located at the same geopential for the maximal amplitude (see a recent assessment from Brunner et al. 2006 thereafter).

    Atmos. Chem. Phys., 6, 4985-5008, 2006
    Variability and trends in total and vertically resolved stratospheric ozone based on the CATO ozone data set
    D. Brunner1,*, J. Staehelin1, J. A. Maeder1, I. Wohltmann2, and G. E. Bodeker3
    PDF available at
    http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/6/4985/2006/acp-6-4985-2006.html

    Have a look at channel TLS (1979 – 2006) on RSS (maps thereafter) : there’s a quite heterogene distribution of cooling and warming zones for lower stratosphere, but mid- and high- latitudes southward have clearly the max. cooling.
    On the same page, the graph under the TLS map : no clear trend between 1995 and 2006, cooling was much more pronounced between 1980 and 1995 (before Montreal protocole first effects, maybe, but just an hypothesis).
    http://www.remss.com/msu/msu_data_description.html

    I’m still skeptic about GHGs as a main driver of cooling stratosphere. Anyway, as I explained, these recent trends (past 20 yrs) are not really interesting, so far everybody agree there is few if any solar trends between cycle 21 and 23. I question if yes or no 19-22 cycles (approx.1950-90) are the most active of the past 150 years, if solar signal may be delayed by oceanic thermal inertia (so far solar warms the first 100 meters of oceans, 70% of globe surface), if our current undestanding (low) of solar variability and solar-climate connexion are sufficient for any “very likely” conclusion, etc.

  12. Lynn Vincentnathan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 12:43 PM

    #258, very much agreed, Ike. I do that just to avoid endless, disruptive debate in class, since I’m here in the Bible belt & evolution is a dirty word (like communism). I just had a class last week in which I told them I was a religious person who believed in evolution, that the 2 are not incompatible, that in fact evolution and science in general even strengthen my religious beliefs. And that led to an endless debate, wasting half a class period. I have to think about the other students, who want to learn.

    Same with climate change contrarians, some are so set in their disbelief, that at some point it becomes a waste of time trying to convince them (in fact, that may be one of their ploys — getting people to waste their time, so as not to do anything about GW).

    RE #198, Martin, I posted my #255 comment before reading your #198 comment (I wrote it yesterday, then posted today). Yes, a shift to a society reducing its GHGs will open up a lot of business opportunities, and if you read NATURAL CAPITALISM, you will get a sense of how the economy can even improve in doing so (see: http://www.natcap.org ). As for a social science scenario, I look forward to a “revitalization (or social) movement” in which people try to construct a more satifying culture and society. These happen rather quickly (like an ice sheet breaking off), not like cultural evolution. So we could wake up any day now, and nearly everyone will be tauting solutions to GW. For now it’s “in my dreams!”

  13. lars says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:06 PM

    Re #259

    Ok Einstien…. are you a big bang universe or steady state universe?

    are you a Closed universe, Open universe or Flat universe?

    a theory is only a theory, until it can be proved…..

    BTW Einstien was a steady state universe guy….. does that make him stupid?

  14. Barton Paul Levenson says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:19 PM

    [[As for so called scientific consensus, there have been many and completely wrong, remember the flat earth people, remember the earth as the center of the universe, etc etc etc…. ]]

    Who were “the flat earth people,” exactly? Aside from Cosmas Indicopleustes, that is.

  15. Barton Paul Levenson says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:21 PM

    [[Lynne, you say – “But you can take climate science & global warming or leave it if you wish — that’s what I tell my students when I teach evolution, they don’t have to believe it, they only have to learn it to pass the test”

    Ouch! I winced when I read that – pardon me, but that is the worst approach to teaching science that exists – rote memorization and regurgitation. Science is based fundamentally on reliable and exchangeable information – Richard Feynman, a great scientist and a great teacher (a truly rare combination) explained science as something you explain to someone else on the other side of the world through a telephone – i.e. if you set up the experiment I describe, then you should get this result; pass a light beam through a glass prism, you should see a rainbow of colors – it’s all about independent verification, not about rote memorization of some text.

    Really, there is no worse way of teaching science then the method you just described! ]]

    I don’t think she was talking about rote memorization, or not only that. Nothing she said ruled out helping students to understand the concepts involved.

  16. Barton Paul Levenson says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:26 PM

    [[Ok Einstien…. are you a big bang universe or steady state universe?
    are you a Closed universe, Open universe or Flat universe?
    a theory is only a theory, until it can be proved…..
    BTW Einstien was a steady state universe guy….. does that make him stupid? ]]

    No. Einstein died in 1956. Although there was already some evidence by then that the ratios of Seyfert and N-galaxies fell off with distance, which shouldn’t happen according to Steady-State, it would be nine years before Penzias and Wilson discovered the cosmic microwave background, thus moving the Big Bang into consensus and pretty much killing Steady-State.

  17. Dan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:35 PM

    re: 263. “a theory is only a theory, until it can be proved…..” Ah yes, the tired and very dated attack on the scientific method now (we do live in the 21st century now, not the Middle Ages). Look, “proof” is a mathematical property. Until you learn that fundamental concept and how the scientific method works (it was used to develop the basics for computers such as the one you are typing on), your conversation is dead. See http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/there-is-no-proof-that-co2-is-causing.html.

    Einstein is the perfect example of someone who followed the scientific method. He had a hypothesis, he gathered data, conducted experiments, published them for peer-review, and made new hypotheses based on the information he and others found for further research. If you are going to reference someone, be sure he supports your point.

  18. Hank Roberts says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:42 PM

    21st Century Science, Medieval Hot Air
    It’s a puzzle which to choose, isn’t it?

  19. James says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:56 PM

    Re #257: “As for so called scientific consensus…remember the earth as the center of the universe…”

    In fact, though, there was never a _scientific_ consensus on geocentrism. There was a cultural and religious one, within which early protoscientists were constrained to work. As soon as scientists like Copernicus started actually looking at the data, that consensus fell apart.

  20. lars says

    7 Feb 2007 at 1:59 PM

    Re 266

    The idea of a static universe is one which demands that space is not expanding nor contracting but rather is dynamically stable. Albert Einstein proposed such a model as his preferred cosmology by adding a cosmological constant to his equations of general relativity to counteract the dynamical effects of gravity which in a universe of matter would cause the universe to collapse. After the discovery by Edwin Hubble that there was a relationship between redshift and distance, Einstein declared this formulation to be his “biggest blunder”.

    Hubble’s law is the statement in physical cosmology that the redshift in light coming from distant galaxies is proportional to their distance. The law was first formulated by Edwin Hubble and Milton Humason in 1929[1] after nearly a decade of observations. It is considered the first observational basis for the expanding space paradigm and today serves as one of the most often cited pieces of evidence in support of the Big Bang.

    Re #367

    your link goes to Page Not Found….. good one……..

  21. tamino says

    7 Feb 2007 at 2:52 PM

    Re: #269

    As far as my knowledge of the history of science goes, there was indeed a truly scientific concensus on geocentricism, stretching from the days of ancient Greek science until its overthrow by Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, and eventually Newton.

    Very few would dispute the point, that consensus is not proof. But it is the best we’ve got. The stronger the consensus, the more likely it is to be correct, and the concensus on global warming is as strong as you’ll find. Furthermore, the consensus on global warming is not an old, tired consensus being attacked by new theory. It is itself the “new kid on the block” that has overthrown the old, tired, and mistaken consensus that the human race is too puny to cause global climate change.

  22. Roger Pielke, Jr. says

    7 Feb 2007 at 3:57 PM

    Clarification please:

    You write “Note that some media have been comparing apples with pears here: they claimed IPCC has reduced its upper sea level limit from 88 to 59 cm, but the former number from the TAR did include this ice dynamics uncertainty, while the latter from the AR4 does not”

    I look at the TAR and see this explanation:

    “The region in light shading shows the range of all AOGCMs for all 35 scenarios. The region delimited by the outermost lines shows the range of all AOGCMs and scenarios including uncertainty in land-ice changes, permafrost changes and sediment deposition. Note that this range does not allow for uncertainty relating to ice-dynamical changes in the West Antarctic ice sheet.”
    http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/fig11-12.htm

    It read as it the TAR also did not consider ice dynamics uncertainty. Can you clarify this please?

    Thanks!

    [Response: The TAR range included mass-balance estimates for the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets (though did not include dynamical changes – i.e. changes due to changes in ice streams, calving, grounding line movement, etc which were then thought to be small). Recent observations point to the vital importance of such terms in assessing the net mass balance, thus since they are highly uncertain, it was thought more prudent to not include the mass-balance terms this time around. Our statement above should probably state that “the former number from the TAR did include some ice-sheet mass balance uncertainty, while the latter from the AR4 does not”. -gavin]

  23. Lance Armstrong says

    7 Feb 2007 at 4:44 PM

    Has anyone else noticed that the SPM available at the link provided has gone from 21 pages down to 18? I haven’t sorted out what exactly is missing, but the scenario descriptions are now on the last page, and they used to be back on page 14. Has there been a revision? Shouldn’t that be mentioned somewhere?

  24. Dan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 4:56 PM

    re: 270 “your link goes to Page Not Found….. good one……..”

    Gee, a very simple inspection of the URL address would tell you to leave off the period at the end, sport. As in http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/there-is-no-proof-that-co2-is-causing.html
    It is not rocket science to figure that one out.

    And please do not forget to read up on the meaning of the “scientific method” and what the concept of “proof” is all about.

  25. Vicky says

    7 Feb 2007 at 5:29 PM

    Re:#149 and 160.

    Asa, if you’re after an economic interpretation of the costs of climate change, see Sir Nicholas Stern’s review on it, published in the UK last year. It is an excellent report, broken into chapters on things like mitigation, adaptation, modelling etc. Whilst I’m not sure if it covers fossil fuels directly, it is implied, and well worth a look.

    http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/independent_reviews/stern_review_economics_climate_change/stern_review_report.cfm

    The one drawback is that as it was published in 2006, it draws projections from the Third Assessment, but you, as an economic-based person, could look at the difference in projections from the AR4 and roughly tell which direction the costs go.

    Hope that helps.

  26. lars says

    7 Feb 2007 at 6:01 PM

    [edit]

    Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process must be objective so that the scientist does not bias the interpretation of the results or change the results outright. Another basic expectation is that of making complete documentation of data and methodology available for careful scrutiny by other scientists and researchers, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempted reproduction of them. This also allows statistical measures of the reliability of the results to be established. The scientific method also may involve attempts, if possible and appropriate, to achieve control over the factors involved in the area of inquiry, which may in turn be manipulated to test new hypotheses in order to gain further knowledge.

  27. Dan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 6:22 PM

    re: 276. That last sentence is not an acccurate description of the scientific method whatsoever. Especially the crock about “achieving control over the factors”…”which may in turn be manipulated…” Sorry, that is simply not the way it is done. New hypotheses are tested but it is not due to “manipulation” over the factors involved. Manipulation removes objectivity and does not jive with the method.

  28. Dan says

    7 Feb 2007 at 6:30 PM

    re: 277. I neglected to add that yes, I know that came from Wikipedia’s supposed definition of the scientific method. Such as it is.

  29. Mark Hadfield says

    7 Feb 2007 at 6:37 PM

    Re 272: Roger, I see you have an article on this subject on your blog:

    http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/001096clarifying_ipcc_ar4_.html

    I’m not sure that you’ve grasped the distinction between mass balance uncertainties and ice-sheet dynamics uncertainties, but, hey, what do I know?

    Perhaps Gavin or Stefan could comment.

  30. Aaron Custance BSc (UK) says

    7 Feb 2007 at 6:44 PM

    Doesn’t an increase in atmospheric, anthropogenic CO2 mean a decrease in atmospheric O2, and a decrease in atmospheric volume(before considering expansion due to warming)?

    I recall the classroom experiment that demonstrates the air volume reduction commensurate with the burning of carbon (a candle) in a closed system (bell jar inverted in water). While consuming oxygen and releasing CO2 and H20, the floating candle rose up in the jar some 20% (by memory) before extinguishing, even with the system temperature having risen (unmeasured, but likely several degrees C) .

    Assuming botanical sequestration (and photosynthetic O2) deals with a quarter of our global 9Bn T output of CO2, that still leaves the other three-quarters of the volume reduction effect. With the Earth’s photosynthetic capacity diminished(rainforest destruction, desertification, forest fires), shouldn’t we be talking about O2 levels and atmospheric volume (and including them in our climate models)?

    aaron.custance@virgin.net

    [Response: Try the math yourself. Take a million molecules of air. How many molecules of O2 do you have? Now how many of those do you need to use to double CO2 (i.e. add about 280 molecules of CO2)? So how much does that change the fraction of O2 in the air? It’s small, but as a diagnostic of fossil fuel burning it’s interesting. However, we’re not going to run out of air to breath and the associated surface pressure changes (extra credit: does surface pressure go up or down in this process?) are not going to change the circulation to any significant degree. In fact, the main influence of global warming on surface pressure comes from the additional water vapor in the atmosphere. Still a small effect, but bigger than the CO2 effect. –raypierre]

  31. Mark Hadfield says

    7 Feb 2007 at 6:54 PM

    What? Scientists don’t (shouldn’t) manipulate controlling factors to test hypotheses? Damn, so that’s what I’ve been doing wrong!

  32. Mark Hadfield says

    7 Feb 2007 at 7:21 PM

    Re 280: the bell jar experiment has always puzzled me. I mean, assuming the fuel is a solid hydrocarbon, CnH2n+2 or similar, C + O2 -> CO2 gives no reduction in gas volume and 4H + O2 -> 2H20 gives an increase. Does the reduction occur when the H20 condenses and/or the CO2 dissolves?

  33. S. Molnar says

    7 Feb 2007 at 7:45 PM

    Re 272 and 279: I am growing more confused on this issue. My assumption from reading the SPM was that the only thing left out was a possible change in ice dynamics. If I read Gavin correctly, he’s telling me that they also left out non-dynamic ice mass balance uncertainties, but I don’t know quite how to interpret that. The ice dynamics are explicitly assumed to exhibit a constant flow rate based on observations from the recent past, but what about melting? Same as before? Increasing linearly with temperature? And what about snowfall in the interior? I don’t know if I’m just being muddleheaded or if there’s a technical use of some terminology that I’m missing, but a more complete explanation for dummies would be much appreciated.

  34. mark s says

    7 Feb 2007 at 7:55 PM

    Hiya all,

    I think the FAR has had quite alot of success, judging by the traffic RC is getting.

    Talk about rattling the contrarian/confusniks cage. Good grief! :-)

    regards

  35. Ike Solem says

    7 Feb 2007 at 7:58 PM

    RE#262, 265
    Lynn & Barton: Well, I suppose I meant that saying “you don’t have to believe it, you just have to learn it in order to pass the test” gives students a poor idea of what science is about – if you don’t believe it, you should ask questions about it. I imagine there are very few people who actually think that a divine being placed fossils in the ground to test the faith of the true believers, after all.

    For example, take this baseline issue. If your students asked, “what do they mean by the temperature is increasing? Increasing from what? It’s warm in the summer, and cold in the winter – what do they mean when they say it is going to get ~3C warmer as the CO2 level doubles from it pre-industrial level? That’s not very much!”, how would you respond? (That seems like a reasonable question for a student to ask.)

    Well, you’d first have to explain what was meant by the ‘normal climate’ – and you could explain that scientists picked a certain time period as a baseline to compare changes to, and that they all use the same baseline so that they can compare their results to one another. You could also explain that the 3C is a global average, and and that the poles will get much warmer than their baseline temp (10C?), and the equator would not warm as much.

    You could also discuss how temperature and heat relate to one another, and show them that it is a truly massive amount of heat (a good example would be in terms of say, 1 megaton nuclear weapons – how many 1 megaton nukes would you have to set off in the atmosphere to raise the average temperature of the planet by 2 degrees C – anyone want to take a stab at that?)

    Then your students ask you, “well, all these reports use different baselines! 1950-1980, 1961-1990, 1971-2000, 1980-1999 – if they say the ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’ is 3C, that’s compared to what?” How do you respond to that?

  36. Hank Roberts says

    7 Feb 2007 at 8:06 PM

    > increase in CO2 …. decrease in O2?

    This is a misunderstanding that I think goes in skeptical circles back to a misapprehension by an economist(?) named Curtin, which started with his asking

    “… what happened to the 100 ppm of the atmosphere displaced by CO2 since 1750?” by: Tim Curtin | June 19, 2006 08:37 AM ”

    The issue was rather well thrashed out. It’s a rowdier forum than this one. Basic confusion was that measurement in ‘parts per million’ does not mean the total number of molecules has to be exactly one million. it’s not a zero sum game because photosynthesis is so good at adding oxygen from water so the level of oxygen in the air overall doesn’t go down as carbon is burned.
    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/06/the_gods_are_laughing_at_tom_h.php#comment-114050

  37. Mark Hadfield says

    7 Feb 2007 at 8:18 PM

    RE 283: I thought the SPM *was* a summary for dummies … oops, policymakers.

    Seriously, if you’re a policymaker who is not hung up on the question of whether AR4 differs from TAR (and why would you be?) the AR4 message is not all that confusing: there’s some stuff we think we understand and here are the results and there’s some other complicated stuff that we’re not at all sure about and we’ll get back to you later on that. Simple!

    Oh, you want to *understand*? Ah, well that’s a bit harder…

  38. Eli Rabett says

    7 Feb 2007 at 9:17 PM

    #280 Ralph Keeling has done some beautiful work on O/N changes in the atmosphere and O isotope ratios. The effect of combustion is observable.

  39. tamino says

    7 Feb 2007 at 11:02 PM

    Re: #280, #282

    There’s an excellent paper on the bell-jar experiment in the journal of chemical education here. Fascinating reading.

    BTW Raypierre, my guess is that the surface air pressure goes up, because replacing a single O2 with a single CO2 doesn’t change the number of gas molecules, but does make the atmosphere heavier. Atmospheric pressure is, after all, the weight of all that air over our heads. Do I get the extra credit?

    [Response: Right, you got it. It’s the hydrostatic law in action. You’re just moving carbon from formerly buried fossil fuels into the air. –raypierre]

  40. Steve Latham says

    8 Feb 2007 at 2:33 AM

    Along these lines (#289), I have a question that is perhaps naive: As the sky falls (a previous post on RC) does the amount of the Sun’s radiation that is refracted (or whatever) in the atmosphere toward the Earth’s surface change?

  41. Urs Neu says

    8 Feb 2007 at 3:17 AM

    Re 256,285
    Ike, maybe you missed my comment to the baseline problem in 247.

  42. Barton Paul Levenson says

    8 Feb 2007 at 7:57 AM

    [[You could also discuss how temperature and heat relate to one another, and show them that it is a truly massive amount of heat (a good example would be in terms of say, 1 megaton nuclear weapons – how many 1 megaton nukes would you have to set off in the atmosphere to raise the average temperature of the planet by 2 degrees C – anyone want to take a stab at that?)

    Then your students ask you, “well, all these reports use different baselines! 1950-1980, 1961-1990, 1971-2000, 1980-1999 – if they say the ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’ is 3C, that’s compared to what?” How do you respond to that? ]]

    1. To raise the temperature of the atmosphere 3 K, I calculate as follows. The mass of the atmosphere is about 5.136 x 10^18 kilograms. The specific heat of average wet air is about 1,010 Joules per Kelvin per kilogram. So you need 1.556 x 10^22 Joules.

    A kilogram of TNT releases about 4.18 million Joules when detonated. A ton is 4.18 billion, a megaton is
    4.18 x 10^15 J. Therefore, you would need to detonate 3.72 million 1-MT bombs to heat the atmosphere that much. (Actually, some of the energy goes into blast, large-scale air motions, and not directly to temperature — so you’d need even more.)

    2. The equilibrium climate sensitivity being 3 K means, if you double the amount of carbon dioxide in the air, then, taking into account all the known climate feedbacks, the surface temperature of the Earth would rise by about 3 K.

  43. Adam says

    8 Feb 2007 at 9:51 AM

    Re 256:

    There may or may not be some in NOAA (or above) who are quite happy for confusion to set in, but NOAA is not alone in this sort of thing. See the MetO & NOAA websites:

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/index.html
    http://www.crh.noaa.gov/grr/climate/normals/

    You’re right that NOAA’s a bit ahead of the game, as the WMO still uses 61-90 (I was wrong earlier), and there is no mandate to update to a newer one until 2021 (I think). However some countries are already seeing the 61-90 baseline as a bit meaningless.

    The IPCC needs to be clear what baselines it’s using, and so does any other use of anomalies. See post 247 for more.

    If you use the 61-90 baseline then you will have less -ve anomalies and more +ve and if you use the 71-00 baseline you’ll have more -ve and less +ve. “Now” will always mean the latest baseline (as it should – in twenty years time why should “Now” refer to the 1960s?).

    This can make +ve anomalies to pre-AGW pattern emergence look smaller to the casual viewer, which is (possibly) why the GISS (and I guess the CRU) keep their baseline constant. If however you’re giving a forecast or a meteorological summary, you would say that “above average” is above what the population see as currently average.

    The “State of the Arctic” report may well have needed to make a bigger point of the new baseline, but if it means that a year in the ’60s was average is now below average, it would still show past years to have more -ve anomalies than before. I don’t know though, as I’ve not read it.

    Re 285

    “Then your students ask you, “well, all these reports use different baselines! 1950-1980, 1961-1990, 1971-2000, 1980-1999 – if they say the ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’ is 3C, that’s compared to what?” How do you respond to that?”

    Compared to the average temperature at the previous equilibrium (before you started adding CO2). In this case, pre-industrial times. The value will be the same, but the anomaly will change (eg “from 1 less than now to another 2 on from now” or “from 0.5 less than the 1960s to another 2.5 on from the 1960s” – I’ve made the figures up BTW).

  44. Lynn Vincentnathan says

    8 Feb 2007 at 2:06 PM

    RE #284, well, actually, Ike, while I allow students to stick with their religious beliefs re evolution (which some feel is an extreme threat to all they hold dear in life), I do not allow anyone their own beliefs re AGW. I don’t really teach this topic (and I barely touch on evolution, since I’m a cultural, not physical, anthropologist), but I do occasionally mention AGW, and make it clear the science is in on it.

    For the most part students don’t have the foggiest of what I’m talking about, so it’s all new to them. However, I did get 2 grad students last semester who debated me bitterly, stating that AGW was not supported by science. One even said her father was an eminant greenhouse gas scientist in ?Utah?, who totally disclaimed AGW. But I held to my guns and said they were wrong, and suggested they read science journal articles on it. To which the other one said she gets Science delivered to her home, and their articles disprove GW. I only have time to read an abstract now and then, so based on that I again said she’s wrong. To avoid wasting more time I had to change the subject back to the day’s topic.

    I don’t have the background or ability to argue about GW much scientifically, except the basics. Thank goodness for this site. I just refer people to it, especially if the argument goes over my head.

  45. Lynn Vincentnathan says

    8 Feb 2007 at 2:10 PM

    And, of course, I refer them to the IPCC, which I’ve been doing for years, even before RC.

  46. Barton Paul Levenson says

    8 Feb 2007 at 2:51 PM

    [[One even said her father was an eminant greenhouse gas scientist in ?Utah?, who totally disclaimed AGW.]]

    It sounds like she was snowing you. What the heck is a “greenhouse gas scientist?” A chemist? If so, that hardly qualifies him on climatology. A physicist specializing in radiative transfer? Then he ought to know better.

    I have the strong suspicion her father is some kind of engineer, and she thinks he’s a scientist.

  47. A. ROSARIO says

    9 Feb 2007 at 11:36 AM

    If compliance targets for anthropomorphic CO2 emissions still call for CO2 emmissions at or near current levels. Even with cut backs in the developed world, How are we going to even have a chance of impacting on CO2 levels while at the same time have developing economies in Asia, Latin America & Africa increasing their carbopn footprints without strageties that sequester massive amounts of Carbon. Has additional research has been done with Iron-Catalyzed Plankton Restoration? What I have seen so far looks promising.

  48. Jeremy Kenyon says

    9 Feb 2007 at 12:29 PM

    So much excellent work is being done by so many people around the world, but it seems to me that communicating the results to policy makers and the public is a dismal failure, leaving it to the press, TV and film makers to do their best to interpret things.

    The SPM is a Summary for Policymakers. I would hazard a guess that less than 1 in 100 policymakers will understand it, so they will all have it interpreted by their own scientists, thus introducing a totally unnecessary layer of confusion. It is not at all surprising that people pick up on the 88cm dropping to 59cm – its tough reading to do more than glance at a few tables and pick the highlight.

    In business, a report is targeted at its audience – SPM seems to be more of a summary for climate scientists of yesterdays news (given that it misses out the recent developments, and gives an artificially good picture).

    It also refers to 6 scenarios, which I know are well understood by climate scientists, but policy makers don’t have that background, and even if they did, a Summary should describe them in a clear fashion – eg reduce emissions to 1990 levels by 2020 and population stays under x and air travel doesn’t proliferate etc. The table stuck at the end of the SPM is just not going to make sense to our politicians – it needs to be stated near the start of the report, in terms PMs will understand.

    The whole point of the work being done around the world is to help policy makers make the right choices. The SPM should clearly show a range of scenarios, and what is the likely outcome from each one, albeit with caveats.

    The summary might be better presented as a small introduction, then a section on each scenario, with its resulting CO2, temperature and sea-level outcome. Then, because there is too much slack between CO2 and temperature/sea-level estimates, just describe the resulting situations for a set of temperature/sea-level combinations, noting which scenarios are likely to result in that situation. That would also help deal with the contrarians who say that it is not CO2 or not human changes, but that it is natural. The consequences are there no matter what the cause.

    The SPM fails to mention just about any real world consequences of the various scenarios. A good report should include examples that will be understood by the target audience. Rather than only say vague things like “Increased incidence of extreme high sea level”, give examples for each scenario, such as Thames Barrier needing renewing by x date, Bangladesh population needing relocating by y or whatever it is.

    The report needs to push back a lot of the superfluous details and actually tell policy makers about the consequences of the detailed report, in understandable terms, for each of the scenarios. So far, it is programs such as the David Attenborough ones and Al Gore’s movie that have best explained it in ways policy makers will understand, but they are interpretations only, and both are short on what the background scenario was. I won’t knock either, but I think the IPCC should be setting the background for those sorts of things, rather than them being left to the tv and film makers and their scientific advisers.

    Table SPM2 is typical of the meaningless data in the SPM – it doesn’t even say which scenario it refers to – as if all the scenarios are equivalent – the whole point of having multiple scenarios is to show how the choices we make will affect the outcome.

    Also, while I do care about things like Polar Bears starving and know that things such as the arctic getting warmer has huge knock-on effects for us, I am not sure that it carries much weight with policy makers. They care about how they are going to feed their populations, whether they are going to have to spend trillions on sea defences and relocating people, whether thousands of people are going to die every summer in heat waves. The SPM should have less comment about obscure happenings far away from anyone, and more about the consequences of those happenings on human populations around the world.

    Also, we should stop assuming that all badness happens at 2100 and then stops getting worse – it doesn’t, but there are very few indications of that in the SPM. There is talk of huge inertia in the system, but the real world explanation for scenario A1F1 should say that sea levels will rise by up to 59cm by 2100, causing x, y and z, followed by another xxcm rise by 2200, causing p, q and r. Similarly for other consequences such as ocean acidification and drought.

    Unless the IPCC report writers want the same set of folks (journalists and government scientific advisers) to re-interpret the report for policy makers, the SPM needs renaming to SCS (Summary for Climate Scientists) and a real SPM writing that clearly shows how the choices we make about emissions reductions will affect the outcome in 50, 100 and 200 years.

  49. SecularAnimist says

    9 Feb 2007 at 1:24 PM

    It seems to me that much of the discussion following the release of the Fourth Assessment SPM has been about the prospects for sea level rise. However, as far as I know, even in the worst-case scenarios sea level rise would be expected to take many decades at least. Clearly that is a huge challenge given the major cities all over the world that would be affected, but sea level rise is not something that is going to be a sudden catastrophe, as in the global warming fantasy movie The Day After Tomorrow.

    However, there is something that it seems to me could be a major sudden catastrophe: drought. Drought is the sort of “extreme weather event” that global warming might be expected to lead to, and unlike sea level rise, it could occur suddenly and without any advance warning.

    Consider the drought that is currently affecting Australia. Now, imagine that a similarly intense, extreme, and prolonged (i.e. multi-year) drought hits the North American grain producing regions, and that perhaps simultaneously, other major grain producing regions of the world are also afflicted by drought. This could lead to mass starvation — the deaths of tens or hundreds of millions of people from starvation — within only a few years.

    What does the science have to say about the possibility of such an event?

  50. SecularAnimist says

    9 Feb 2007 at 1:29 PM

    Lynn Vincentnathan wrote: “… I allow students to stick with their religious beliefs re evolution (which some feel is an extreme threat to all they hold dear in life) …”

    Even more than that, for many people whose religious beliefs deny evolution, evolution is an extreme threat to their hopes of an afterlife. Thus evolution denies their hopes for immortality, and forces them to confront their own impermanence.

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